GTTurbo

had a little play with the above, 0-60 type thing.

it was dead even in terms of pace, he had an exhaust thats it, as do I. MY97. i was quite surprised i kept up seeing as most of these cars have been ruined by there owners.

I remember as a young nipper being taken up to 150 (on the clock) in one of these in about 1989 by my uncle. It was the fastest car I had been in at that stage.

they look very dated now, with pannel gaps that you could fit your thumb between, and those huge headlights!

Jamesemt

Personally I only think they look dated on the inside - I think they look absolutely class from the outside, it's just that dash...

v8voodoo

Always wanted one, don't know why, don't want one now I've got my Scoob though. Must be because they were so prevalent in the rallying when I was a kid and it was good... ahh... jumpers for goalposts..lol

I bet the original and rs500 (?) cosworth hatches are pretty rare bits of kit in standard form now...

Nige.

Paulo P

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I still love cossies and would love one The 2 wheel drive ones are alot more fun to drive than a scoob

I have great memories of driving Astraboy's 3 door around bruntingthorpe and driving a friends 2 wheel drive sapphire in the wet

Shame that standard ones are so scarce these days

Shaun the webbie has a nice RS500 Moonstone blue my favourite colour

I nearly bought Penti Arrikala's old moonstone blue sapphire 4x4 a few years ago but it sold just before I sold it I bought the Integrale instead and still regret it

Freak

Agree 100%

RAF1

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Love cossies to bits - hardly see any on the road though now....

Raf.

16vmarc

I like cossies, aslong as theyre left looking standard i dont see a problem with modding the enigne.

les1

well I don't wanna start a war here, but, for £500 = stage2 chip etc, you get approx 340bhp, unfortunately to get this on a scoob its a bit more involved and expensive I think, thats the advantage of the cossie, dated or not, my mate who's sitting here now is a cossie nut and he wants to wind you lot up, but I said no, lets not go there.............were a bit more civilised than that!!

RichA

I really fancied a Sapphire Cosworth. But reliability isn't the best in the world, insurance is worse than the Scooby, very few have air-con, and finding a solid, unolested example is rather difficult.

Really, the reliability, air-con and insurance make a huge difference when looking for an every-day car. There are far more Scooby's out there at the moment - so it's very easy to find a standard one. And none should be rotten yet...

Yes, the Sapph can be made faster for not much money, but you're looking at around £300 for a stage one(270-280bhp) kit, which is about the best value upgrade you can get. After that, you start to get stung by diminishing returns and a car less driveable for every-day use. The injectors and pump are close to the limit with 280bhp, so you need uprated items, as is the original head gasket, and quite possibly the breather system.

Nice cars though. Modern classic, will have a good following for the next 15 years or so as well .

Paulo P

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Where the hell did you read that Don't you know anything about scoobs yet

Snowy_RA

Loved my 430bhp sapphire cosworth, but then so did my tuner

..about 6k spent in 10 months trying to keep it on the road, still all worth it, nothing could touch it.

And I still like the look of them (outside).

Snowy

justanutter

i love the old 2 door sierra cossies in moonstoneblue i think they are pure class but finding a minter nowadays is soo hard.

there was a 550bhp plus black rs500 in the central scotland area for a while. roumour has it the engine is now in a escort cossie although i have not heard anymoer about this for a long time.

Scoob+Bike=Fun

used to have a 280BHP (at wheels) 2wd Saf, absolutely loved it to bits, and a scoob couldn't touch it in a strait line,(saff 9 scoob 0) never tried the twisties, or the wet though, but think that the scoob would eat it, loved it to bits, mine was a bad omen though, wouldn't go back to one though, love the scoob too much.

Jamescsti

I was very tempted to get one before I got my Scooby, having been a Ford man previously, couldn't find a decent one though.
Love the cars though, got a lot of time for them

kammy

Hi,
Just out of interest dont older 4x4's have drive-trains with much higher losses. For example the Cossy, and the pulsar Gti-r in comparison to new Evos and Scoobs. So a 280bhp Cossy will have less BHP at the wheels in comparsion to a new-ish Scoob with 280BHP?Just a thought
Kam

sti-04!!

I have got a rare radiant red saph 4x4 with cloth lying in one of the sheds down the yard, my dad took it off me when i was 18 (7 yrs ago) as i got caught doing ???mph & banned for 6 months ............ so i found it & blew the engine , going to rebuild it in the new year & have some fun.

Beautiful car

Tommy_Lee

I dont think the 4x4 cossies lose as much as people say,its usually the 2wd lovers that say that.My 400bhp/400ib-ft one seems ok!

Redkop

That'd be Kev Sharp, it wasn't an RS500 though, he put the engine from his 3dr into his Esc Cos. Awesome car he has now... low 10's for the ¼ miles.

2wdcossie

unfortunately its more expensive on a yb lump too

that price dont include a turbo capable of 340hp

you'll get the chip, 3bms and a set of 803's but your left ringing the nuts off a t3 turbo and still making less than 340

and all this is presuming you have an ignition, breather and fuel system capable of that, fuel pump wiring is normally shot on these old ****ters for a start, std crankcase breather wont like that boost blah blah blah

budget more like £1500 and do it properly, they bite back when corners are cut lol

matt
(~400hp/400lbft moonstone 3 door )

les1

your probably right Matt with all you say, tbh I didn't think it was quite as easy as that, but I didn't want to start m8 off while he was here, cos you can't stop him once he starts/,*££$%^^?!
I've only ever had 1 cossie, about 6 yrs ago......it was the most straightest car you could have, a Feb '93K 4x4 in Gloss black, all std apart from stg1, 2 Company owners, 118k, full RS history, and totally faultless mechanically.....
looked a 40000 miler, paid £6900 for it, and could I sell it??.......had it 18mnths and gave it away, why?.........that damn mileage, quote "oh no mate has it had an engine rebuild with that mileage", ....thats all I got.........silly people!!, wish I kept it, prob worth £7-8000 now??.

Hol

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True - its not that cheap to get 'reliable' power out of of the Cossie engine.
Especially one designed around a small american hatchback (Ford Pinto) in the 70's. When Ford asked for 16V AND a turbo from Cosworth in 83, eyebrows were raised for reliability for the production car.
Updates have been made to weak parts over its 11years (Head, Mountings, Block etc) but lets face it - It was never a new design.

Having said that: Its also fair to say that it was the 2.0 daddy for a long time (taking overfrom the Montego and Starion), until technology and engine design overtook it.

AND its still not easy to get a 'reliable/everyday' 400BHP 2.0 EVO or Scooby engine. (AND you can forget the Nissan lumps at that power).

Tommy_Lee

The engine was purely desingned for motorsport purpose and no other.400 bhp-650bhp was the required figure for btcc.
it was never intended to be 220bhp which it was out of the showroom,and indeed the first cossies were going to be 300bhp standard which is what Cosworth wanted but Ford decided that around 220 was plenty at the time.

The YB is still a much better desing than the ej20,and comes with proper forged intenals and its a very simple configuration.The Subaru engine is a road engine trying to be a race engine the YB is the opposite!

The fact is its still the easiest and cheapest way of getting a reliable 400 bhp,and new turbo and mapping technology means that the YB will go on and on.

2wdcossie

the design brief of the early yb's was a 300 hp road unit, and it is just that, the injectors and turbo both become restrictive around there. was never run at that as anyone who's driven a 300hp rwd car its rather twitchy to the average unsuspecting member of the public pmsl

the yb was never a new design no and they did learn from their mistakes by uprating certain parts from 3 door to saph to escort but end of the day ford employed cosworth to develop the powerplant as per thier 300hp brief so if putting a fancy cylinder on a transit block can be made reliable what did they do wrong and at 204hp a sierra will have as few reliability issues as any other car

the sierra touring cars ran shonky old t4 turbo's that will no way in a million years produce 650hp, they used to wind the boost up outside the envelope for qualifying alone so ran a tad more then but they ran no more than 500 on race days im reliably informed

matt

Hol

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Im afraid I didn't read too many press articles.
I know what I know and don't say what I don't know.

What I do know is what the 'F1 engine guy from Cosworth' told me back in 89 when I was lucky enough to be in the Bennetton pit garage at Silverstone practice.

However, ll I know practically about cosworth engines is how to use the parts in a MK2 Escort.
(Which looms to use and what bits fit as N/a and Turbo charged).

Anything else is opinion

Redkop

My opinion is... T4's are shonky as Matt says and MT 75 gearboxes are shonkier!

Petem95

Nice cossy on ebay for 4.5k at the moment, 89k, grey 2WD one which is amazingly standard and has all the original panels bar the bonnet!

I'd love one of these, but the insurance would be hell and I'd be worried about running the mileage up as theyre probably increasing in value.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...515542121&rd=1

Redkop

Insurance isn't as bad as you think Correct tho about increasing value....

Paulo P

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That does look pretty nice but the front indicators & rear lenses have been changed too

MADRod

They can be made to go fairly quick.
This is mine
http://www.zetecturbo.com/sunny_pics...bhp_madcos.wmv"


200+mph makes it the fastest Street legal Cossie ever.

Paulo P

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I'm on dial-up at the moment so I won't even try Is that the one on the cover of one of the performance/fast Ford magazines this month?