LG John

I have always been a bit of a fan of beefy oil burners an it came as quite some shock to see the performance stats of the new 535d which is bascially a twin turbo version of the companys 3.0d powerplant. At 272bhp and with more torque than an oil tanker the car, despite its 1750kg kerbweight, hit 60mph from rest in 5.8s and 100mph in 14.6 That 0-100mph is quicker than a launched classic impreza and the real world 60-100mph time is closing in on P1 territory at 8.8s and is more than enough to pull from a classic shape scooby and frankly obliterate a bugeye! And yet, if you want 35mpg is available and possibly 40 if you drive like a total fairy!!

I don't care who you are but that is mighty impressive!! Consider also that the engine would no doubt fit into the 3-series which is considerably lighter than the 5-series and we could be looking at 335d's matching STI's and of course totally wasting them in gear and in the mid-range. Interesting stuff

Mind you, £39k before goodies isn't cheap and they are probably costly to run. And yes, I know..........a twin turbo 3.0 petrol engine would be good for 500bhp and more

Cosworth427

Apples to oranges. A big exec saloon vs a small family saloon, but it will bound to hurt a few egos.

J4CKO

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I had some minor ego damage at the hands of the new 530D (one down from the 535) last night, was in my Rover 200 BRM (Yes I know), close run thing considering he was doing the BMW 'creep', i.e. the un-sporting method of starting moving before the lights change, sure enough they are very quick. I think he got a bit of a surprise to be honest, had to let him in, dont think he was expecting any challenge to his diesel tank. Well done 40 grand BMW beats 3 grand Rover.

Tidgy

only prob with turbo d's is the power comes on strong threw a very short rev range.
but they do pull well turbo d's

Sith

Lucky mine isn't standard then.........

Mmmmm

More tests 535d

Test in ams 21/2004
Gewicht 1800 kg
0 - 80 km/h 4,6 s
0 - 100 km/h 6,8 s
0 - 120 km/h 9,2 s
0 - 130 km/h 10,6 s
0 - 140 km/h 12,1 s
0 - 160 km/h 16,2 s
0 - 180 km/h 20,7 s

Test in sport auto 10/2004
Gewicht 1794 kg
0 - 80 km/h 4,5 s
0 - 100 km/h 6,5 s
0 - 120 km/h 9,0 s
0 - 130 km/h - s
0 - 140 km/h 11,5 s
0 - 160 km/h 15,1 s
0 - 180 km/h 19,3 s
0 - 200 km/h - s

If they drop this engine in the new 3 series it would make quite a quick car

workshy_fopp

I had a shot of the g/f's dad's 535d Sport over Christmas. Hard to tell if it's "proper" fast as it was so refined, you just floor it and it shows some numbers on the speedo. Only 1500 miles on the clock though, so should be plenty more to come. Love the look of the 5-series now, especially with the sport kit. Oh and it's only averaging 25mpg on the fuel computer so far, whereas his old 528i did 29.999mpg all the time.

LG John

1500 miles is still very tight for a diesel so it should get faster and more ecomonical with more miles.

The point of my post was not a direct comparison as that would be stupid but only to show how fast diesels are now and how a 335d would be utterly rapid

NotoriousREV

Wonder if they'll do a 135d?

LG John

imagine! A 135xd csl Boost turned up for 290bhp in a stripped 1-serious running a 4wd platform

cheddar bob

Fair Play to the oil burning deveopment, but the major advantage/selling point of better fuel economy with diesels sharp gets smaller when looking at high performance diesel engines compared to similar price/powered petrol equivelants(sp?). Not to mention as someone has already said how short the power band is anyway with them, which makes it less flexible although agree easier to drive fast especially for 'lazy' drivers who'd choose torque over power.

J4CKO

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A few words that completely make Diesels however powerful, redundant for the keen driver,

(Hail Mary before we start if its Italian)

Waarpp, (add a tschhh here if its a turbo) Waaaaaaaarrpp, waaaaarrrrpppppppp, Braaaaaaapp, ding, ding, bang, Waaaarrrppp (Add a clatter and an abrupt silence here if its a Rover), Waaaaarppp, bam bam bam(oops rev limiter), waaarrrrrpppp etc etc do we get the idea.

NotoriousREV

Are you the Crazy Frog?

Senior_AP

Scoobs are the fastest cars in the world.

Don't be silly you lot.

MattOz

Saxo,

The 335d is coming in 2006. The new 3 series is out in April and will have 2 litre power plants to begin with but may be joined by a 330Ti petrol with 340bhp before the end of the year. I may well look at the 335 when it's released.

My 330d scares standard classics and newer bug-eyes and WRX's anyway, so the increased bhp and torque of the twin turbo will be great. Not sure about the pay off with mpg though. Mine's averaging over 40mpg and has done since new.

Matt

PS - Forgot to caveat this by saying that of course, any Impreza is faster than a diesel, especially in the twisties (unless it's twisties called the Nurburgring of course! )

Harry_Boy

And remember, the 535d comes with the new six speed auto as standard.....

Brendan Hughes

It's just that diesel engines appear to be about 200kgs heavier than petrol ones. Provided they can keep all that weight under control, fair play.

slim_boy_fat

I dont think the 3.0diesel is 200kgs heavier than 3.0l petrol engine. 100kgs maybe .

Harry_Boy

Decent guessing guys....

525i Touring 1655kg
545i Touring 1795kg
525d Touring 1750kg
530d Touring 1760kg
535d Touring 1830kg

Tommy_Lee

Yeah they are quite heavy,but they have very low power loss to the wheels and the aero will make up for alot of that weight over 100mph.Thats why they always seem so fast on the m'way.

The 335d isnt confirmed yet but it wil probably happen,same for the 330ti.

Brendan Hughes

Wow, that's a lot smaller weight difference than I remembered. Impressive.

Harry_Boy

True Brendan - and the 535d's figure is including the auto box, which adds a little extra to the other versions.

In fact, I'm so impressed, I think I might have to get one....

fatherpierre

My Step Father, who's a very senior officer in a certain police force is due to receive a 535d shortly.

Can't wait to have a blast in it. His current 530d is ok, but nothing special until you remember it's an oil burner. We've sat many a time on motorways and left tailgaitors in **** gtis behind.

The 530d does guzzle, though. His has averaged only 33mpg over 2 years and he drives like a fanny.

what would scooby do

I thought it was well known that all the next generation of fast cars would be sequential turbo'd diesels all the manufacturers agree that petrol was not the way forward for performance cars ?

brickboy

Halfway down page 2 and no-one's mentioned "the twisties" yet? What's up with SN?

Another interesting thing I saw was AutoExpress tested the Ibiza PD160 recently. Its standing-start figures were as fast as the Honda CTR that the magazine tested to 70mph, and within 1.5 seconds to 100mph .... and the Ibiza monsters the CTR in the gears.

The gap is definitely narrowing.

Duck_Pond

Brickboy's comments are more appropriate, because it shows what the cheaper end of the diesel market is like.

The 535d costs nearly £40k - how would a £40k Scoob (if there even is one) compare in performance? The 330d currently costs at least £27k (unless you're a cheapskate and import it from Germany ) which puts it in the same bracket as the top end STi models.

I wonder when marques such as Ferrari and Porsche will look at diesel engines for their models? At the moment, the idea is scoffed at, because when people pay for performance, they're not likely to be concerned about economy...

LG John

A 40k 535d and a 40k impreza may be be in a different league in performance terms but then they are in a different league in reliability, built quality, quality of materials, comforts and toys, etc. Your 40k isn't buying you just the twin turbo engine!

Hol

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Ill take two! One for the wife and one for the girlfriend.

What colours do they do?

Hol

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I wish I could afford two,







women that is!