Andy M3

I brought this car up in another thread, but today i have been speaking with someone who as shown in interest in this model over an equivalent but FWD hot hatch. It seems to offer something that a 3 compact never really did. Perhaps the fact that the old 325 copact sport couldn't compeate with the likes of the S3 and Golf v6 4 motion !?!?

Either way, It has to be the only RWD mini hatch. Seems a good package, but would you consider paying an estimated £5000 - £7000 over the Golf Gti ?

What BMW say

BMW Great Britain is pleased to announce the introduction of the BMW 130i – a car powered by the world’s lightest six-cylinder petrol engine. First seen on the BMW 630i and the BMW 330i, the new car boasts 258bhp and 300Nm of torque to deliver class leading performance figures.

The aluminium and magnesium alloy 3.0-litre straight-six petrol engine powers the BMW 130i from zero to 62mph in 6.2 seconds and on to a top speed of 155mph. These figures better rivals such as the Alfa Romeo 147 GTA, Audi A3 3.2 V6 Sport Quattro Sportback and the Mercedes C320 SE Sports Coupé. Such high levels of performance aligned with the near perfect 50:50 weight distribution have also resulted in the BMW 130i lapping the challenging Northern Loop of the Nürburgring in an impressive 8 minutes 35 seconds. All this and the car still posts a respectable fuel consumption figure on the combined cycle of 31.4mpg.

The commendable figures are due in part to the VANOS and VALVETRONIC valve opening and valve lift control mechanisms that ensure optimum combustion and engine breathing at all times. An electrically driven water pump also cuts down on internal engine friction and improves efficiency. Power is transmitted to the road via a standard six-speed manual gearbox feeding power to the rear wheels.

http://www.femalefirst.co.uk/images/BMW130i-05.jpg

Brendan Hughes

Work colleague just bought a 120d. Surprisingly expensive for what you (don't) get.

Pity, as I'm watching closely for the updated version of the MCoupe.

Patt@firstime

Next door neighbour has a 120d, over 20k and agree with what there isn't there

How much would an M version be?

Matt

Dracoro

It's a car for those that must, above all else, have a bmw badge on the drive.

Excellent (short term) marketing and pricing by BMW as there are a lot of people who fit the above description.

Poor long term as bmw image is going further down the plughole. They are no longer the classy exclusive motor of choice (and haven't been ever since the 3 series compact and the 4x4's came along).

And anyone who thinks bmw's are exclusive, can you look up the word in the dictionary and realise what a **** you really are

MikT

Did EVO mag not have a comment in it a month or so back saying that there have been more 3 series BMWs sold than Mondeo's?

ALi-B

iTrader: (1)

Now we're talking - A small RWD, high output, normally aspirated hothatch.

But what you've posted is a haox..right???


0-60 seems completely incorrect...Or they must weigh a hell of alot, or have stupidly tall gearing

Seeing it takes 6.1seconds to hit 60mph....Bear in mind a 530SE with the same engine does 0-62 in 6.5second!!!

So, based on that I'll keep all my toys and stick with the 5 series thanks

Andy M3

http://www.webwombat.com.au/motoring...s/bmw-130i.htm

Weighs under 1300kgs !!!!

Power at Flywheel (BHP) :
257

Weight without Driver (KG) :
1300

Power to Weight Ratio (BHP Per Ton) :
200.87

0 - 60 (Secs) :
5.48

0 - 100 (Secs) :
13.57

60 - 100 (Secs) :
8.09

Quarter Mile (Secs) :
13.82

Terminal Speed (MPH) :
100.91

Drag Strip Quarter Mile (Secs) :
13.72

Drag Strip Terminal Speed (MPH) :
102.07

http://www.letstorquebhp.com/calculator.asp

Ali-b

I think the 1 should be quicker than the 530 - it weighs 200kg's less and has 30hp more - but it may have a long 1st gear !!??

chiark

the 3 series outselling the mondeo is an urban myth... I think it was in the Torygraph on the 21st May, or another paper on Sunday, but figures from the SMMT seem to show that it's what is known as "*****". The mondeo is still britain's eigth most popular seller - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/...ageClass=other


Drac, I know what you mean. I bought a 3 series despite hating the image because (and this might surprise some people) it's a bloody good car. I didn't think people still thought of BMWs as "exclusive"... To me, a 3 series BMW is a great car which most people assume is driven by an idiot.

...then my neighbour wandered over to talk to me, about how "wonderful" the whole ownership thing was, and how "exclusive" the car was. She owns a 316 compact. No-one who enjoys driving would choose one of those, surely?

Anyhow, the idea of a great 3 litre straight 6 engine in a smallish car appeals to me. It could be a great car!

ALi-B

iTrader: (1)

I think you should get the figures in your inital post corrected then! As that's where I got the 6.2 seconds for the 130i from!!!

Current 530 has 258bhp...identical to the bhp stats of the 130i pasted in your posts. .....http://www.bmw.co.uk/apm/new_bmw/mid...0lna-2,00.html

ALi-B

iTrader: (1)

Joking aside though, 6.2 seconds to 62mph is rather disapointing for such a calibre of car. I double checked BMW's website and that's what they say...http://www.bmw.co.uk/apm/about_bmw/n...80&cn=BMW+News (same as the first post)

Perhaps they are trying to stop the limelight being taken away from the M3??

They are fly-by-wire throttle (well ok technically, they have no throttle...valvetronic ), so it would be very easy to program the ECU to limit full throttle in certain gears or engine speeds

Petem95

I'd agree with this. One of my mates recently tried to trade his 318i Sport in towards a new car - he paid almost 10k a year ago, but was offered only 5700 on the trade-in!! Dealer said theres so many BMW's about they dont hold their value like they used to. He thought he'd sell it privately for about 7500, but after 2 months of cutting the price he's had NO interest in it, and wishes he'd traded in when he had the chance!

130i does sound like fun, but they really do look soo damn ugly...

Bodgery

Relax Ali-B! I think you'll find that when Autocar tests this vehicle it will easily outperform the equivalent 5 series engined car. 0-62 will be better than quoted and in-gear times will be QUICK!

As for those who slag off Beemers - I suggest you reserve judgement until you've driven a decent engined one. Anyone who knows an ounce about cars will tell you they handle superbly and the 3 litre engine is magnificent (both petrol and derv). Having said all that, a 1 series would be just too small for me to justify the price tag, but I bet it'll be a great car to drive.

The image may be a little tarnished due to it's popularity and the negative impact of the X5 image/typical driver, but hey, pot and kettle spring to mind from Scooby owners!!

ALi-B

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Maybe, maybe not

I think I'll prefer to buy the quickest bread van in the west instead ( M-coupe)

Andy M3

That is a joke i take it ?

EDIT: Having read it back - i think i misunderstood. I meant

Andy M3

Just to add for some friday afternoon banter - some lap times to compare the 130i:

8:35 --- BMW M3 Coupe, 321 PS
8:35 --- Brabus-Mercedes Benz C V8 Sportcoupé (02/2002)
8:35 --- BMW 130i >>> Link
8:36 --- BMW E36 M3 EVO, 321 PS
8:36 --- Alpina-BMW B3 3.3 Coupé (07/1999)
8:37 --- Maserati 3200GT (2002)
8:37 --- Mercedes Benz C32 AMG (09/2001)
8:37 --- Nissan Skyline GTR V-Spec, 350 PS
8:37 --- Subaru Impreza GT Turbo
8:37 --- Honda NSX 3.0 (07/1991)
8:38 --- Honda NSX 3.2 (08/1997)
8:38 --- Mercedes Benz SL500 (12/2001)
8:38 --- Porsche 996 Carrera, 296 PS
8:38 --- Brabus-Mercedes Benz CLK 5.8 (12/1998)
8:39 --- Honda S2000 (01/2000)
8:39 --- Morgan Aero 8 (04/2003)
8:40 --- Holden GTS, on an in and out lap (2000)
8:40 --- Chevrolet Corvette C5 Targa Automatic (07/1997)
8:41 --- Aston Martin DB7 (1999)
8:41 --- Audi S3, 210 PS (06/1999)
8:42 --- Audi S4, 265 PS (08/1998)
8:42 --- Lotus Exige (11/2000)
8:43 --- Honda Integra Type R (12/2000)
8:44 --- Chevrolet Corvette C5
8:45 --- Chevrolet Corvette, 339 PS, automatic
8:46 --- Porsche 993 Carrera S, 285 PS
8:47 --- Honda Civic Type-R, 200 PS (11/2001)
8:49 --- Jaguar XKR Coupe (07/1998)
8:49 --- Renault Clio Sport V6
8:49 --- Audi TT 1.8T quattro Coupé, 225 PS (11/1998)
8:50* -- Mercedes Benz E55 AMG (2000)
8:51 --- Mercedes Benz C43 AMG (02/1998)
8:52 --- Mercedes Benz CLK 430
8:58 --- Lotus Esprit Turbo SE (07/1991)
9:09 --- Volkswagen Golf V6 4Motion

Taken from this site http://www.supercarfreak.net/forum/s...9&page=1&pp=20. I assume this is private entries and not official times, although most of them seem pretty quick !

ALi-B

iTrader: (1)

The bread van bit was a Joke
The M-coupe bit wasn't

Anyhoo: 7:50 --- BMW X5 Le Mans V12, Hans Stuck (2001)

I hate off-roaders...they shouldn't be allowed to defy the laws of physics LOL

Tommy_Lee

Its a fact that when you trade in a car you will get the shaft no matter what it is!

Andy M3

For those who were interested in this car - i have a few pics from the Motor Show in Geneva.

Andy M3

Source: Hartge - http://www.fast-autos.net/hartge/hartgeh1.html

BMW H1

1452 kg's
5.0 V8
450 hp
376 lb/ft
0-60mph = 4.5 sec
Max = 188 mph

I would guess - 10 seconds to 100 mph and 12 seconds 1/4 mile and < 15 seconds to 200 km/h !


Watch out, as HARTGE has just introduced the fastest BMW 1 Series in the world: The HARTGE H1 5.0 was revealed and reveled at the Essen (Germany) Motorshow in December 2004.

Once again the HARTGE engineers created something special, this, by transplanting a BMW 5.0L V8 into the newly released 1 series. And this isn't your normal BMW V8, as it features modified cylinder heads, revised camshaft, and its own engine software mapping; resulting in an output of 450 hp and 376 lb-ft of torque.


To translate this phenomenal power to the ground in the 1 Series, a special drive shaft and 6 speed manual transaxle are installed, along with a new rear sub-frame. With a curb weight of just 1,445 kg (~3200 lbs.), rendering a weight to power ratio of 3.23 kg/hp (7 lb/hp), the H1 catapults from 0-100 km/hr (0-62.5 mph) in just 4,6 sec. The amazing thrust continues to an ultimate top speed of 300 km/h (188 mph).

Having this much power on tap necessitated other improvements, typical of those applied to other HARTGE BMW conversions. It starts with the adjustable HARTGE sport suspension, lowering the car 30mm (1.2") and featuring specific rate springs and shock absorbers, as developed and defined by HARTGE engineers on the Nurburging as well as the Autobahns and roadways of Germany, to provide a both sophisticated and athletic handling. The best grip to the street with this suspension is enabled by the high-performance tires (from Pirelli or Continental) mounted on 19" HARTGE Classic wheels. The fronts are 235/35R19" while the rears measure 265/30R19.

The H1 not only gets up to speed quickly, it also scrubs off that speed effectively, using a specific high-performance brake system from HARTGE. This system includes eight piston front brake calipers and 380 mm cross-drilled floating rotors to create race-car-level deceleration values and street-proven durability.

The appearance is upgraded, starting with a newly designed front spoiler, and aesthetically supporting what lies beneath the skin. At the rear, a new and exclusive center mounted stainless steel rear silencer shines with dual round tail pipes, announcing the "bark" that accompanies the "bite" in this pedigreed automobile. Finally, a new rear spoiler completes the look, one to which most other drivers will be exposed.

Last but not least the owner and passengers are given the HARTGE treatment, as the interior of the H1 is professionally sport-styled. Included in the package are motorsport racing seats, a HARTGE leather sport steering wheel, carbon-fiber interior panels, an aluminium handbrake handle, gear ****, and foot pedals. Finally, a special HARTGE 320 km/h speedometer is fitted, revealing to the privileged pilot the vehicle's potential.

The HARTGE H1 is another standout offering in the world of automotive accomplishments, continuing HARTGE's heritage of transforming BMWs to the next level. In this automobile, HARTGE transforms a premium entry-level sedan to a pure-blooded sports car. The full HARTGE program also offers individual drive and styling components for the entire BMW product range, in addition to the new 1 series, allowing any BMW owner to experience what HARTGE calls . . . "the fine way of being fast!"

http://www.fast-autos.net/hartge/h1.jpg

http://www.fast-autos.net/hartge/h19.jpg

http://www.fast-autos.net/hartge/h14.jpg

Brendan Hughes

Now That's Just Silly

STi wanna Subaru

iTrader: (1)

anybody else think the 1 looks like.....

skinters

I'd like to see the price for that - I bet you could buy a proper factory car thats just as quick and that doesnt look so damn fugly for the same price -like a nice Porsche.

Brendan Hughes

Frankly, if Hartge could convert it to a 2-door and drop the roofline a bit, they'd be on to a winner.