FFS - Here we go AGAIN!!!!!!!!
07 June 2005, 09:25 AM
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FFS - Here we go AGAIN!!!!!!!!
Car (my GTi-6) is at Peugeot dealer. My "braking problem". Car yanking to the side (could be either side) under moderate/heavy braking.
Technician calls my moby and says:
"Hello sir, we'll we've ran the car on our brake tester and it's fine"
Yes, I explained, but the problem isn't the brakes.....
"What is the problem then sir"?
The problem is highlighted UNDER BRAKING.
"What is the problem then sir"
As my note explained, the car will pull either to the left or to the right under heavy braking. The heavier you brake the worst it yanks over to either side - it's entirely random and intermittent.
"What do you think it could be"
Suerly you are better to answer that, however it's been suggested it is the rear brake bias valve.
"This car doesn't have the rear brake bias valve"
Err....It does.
"No it doesn't"
YES, IT DOES. <explained to him where it was>
"Oh, err, ok we'll have a look at that then".
The best thing you can do is DRIVE the thing - it's lethal. Please call me once you've driven it.
"Ok sir, shall do".
Here we go again....
Technician calls my moby and says:
"Hello sir, we'll we've ran the car on our brake tester and it's fine"
Yes, I explained, but the problem isn't the brakes.....
"What is the problem then sir"?
The problem is highlighted UNDER BRAKING.
"What is the problem then sir"
As my note explained, the car will pull either to the left or to the right under heavy braking. The heavier you brake the worst it yanks over to either side - it's entirely random and intermittent.
"What do you think it could be"
Suerly you are better to answer that, however it's been suggested it is the rear brake bias valve.
"This car doesn't have the rear brake bias valve"
Err....It does.
"No it doesn't"
YES, IT DOES. <explained to him where it was>
"Oh, err, ok we'll have a look at that then".
The best thing you can do is DRIVE the thing - it's lethal. Please call me once you've driven it.
"Ok sir, shall do".
Here we go again....
07 June 2005, 09:37 AM
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I'm confused, you have a car with an actual - and potentially dangerous - fault, and you give it to a dealer to diagnose
Are you MAD? I thought everyone knew that main dealers are only any use if you have a new car and need a collection of those ridiculously expensive stamps in your book at resale time
Are you MAD? I thought everyone knew that main dealers are only any use if you have a new car and need a collection of those ridiculously expensive stamps in your book at resale time
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07 June 2005, 09:38 AM
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Originally Posted by CrisPDuk
I'm confused, you have a car with an actual - and potentially dangerous - fault, and you give it to a dealer to diagnose Are you MAD? I thought everyone knew that main dealers are only any use if you have a new car and need a collection of those ridiculously expensive stamps in your book at resale time
Are you MAD? I thought everyone knew that main dealers are only any use if you have a new car and need a collection of those ridiculously expensive stamps in your book at resale timeTook it to RGS Motorsport, they said they *think* it's the rear brake bias valve but they don't know how to adjust it and recommended I take it to Peugeot.
07 June 2005, 09:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Nat21
RGS in W'boro still? Hope you've not taken it to the pug dealer in W'boro - terrible rep and service.
I found them better than the one in Npton, Brooklane or something isn't it?!?!
Main dealers are wakners full stop.
07 June 2005, 09:48 AM
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Why buy a track car then take it to a dealers? Read books, search through forums, learn what the problem is then fix it yourself. Any job can be done if you learn about it.
Peugeot service costs are silly in general so be prepared.
Peugeot service costs are silly in general so be prepared.
07 June 2005, 09:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Dream Weaver
PS, are they talking about the rear brake compensator when they mention the bias valve?
Yes, see pic attached in the thread here:
http://www.306gti6.com/forum/showthr...d=29983&page=1
07 June 2005, 09:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Dream Weaver
Why buy a track car then take it to a dealers? Read books, search through forums, learn what the problem is then fix it yourself. Any job can be done if you learn about it.
Peugeot service costs are silly in general so be prepared.
Peugeot service costs are silly in general so be prepared.
I have generally, however was advised by the guys on GTi6.com that it needs to be set up with specialist tools and/or replaced.
I might ring them in a minute and tell them to can it cos they're thick.
07 June 2005, 09:59 AM
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Well I believe it is different to the 205 compensator so maybe it does need setting up, but in general the "specialist tools" bit can usually be circumvented 
07 June 2005, 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Dream Weaver
Well I believe it is different to the 205 compensator so maybe it does need setting up, but in general the "specialist tools" bit can usually be circumvented
I have 1 BIG problem.
I'm going to the 'Ring on Friday.......so it needs to be like a NOW job.
I do hope it is fixable quickly. Cos as it is, driving on the raod is bad enugh let alone a racetrack - - - let alone the Nordschleife!!
07 June 2005, 10:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Gutmann pug
french clutter ...........
Your just looking for an excuse to be slow I reckon
Your just looking for an excuse to be slow I reckon
....with added armco to taste.
07 June 2005, 11:04 AM
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Last time I had problem like that, of all the things it turned out to be a faulty tyre.
Same tyre make, model, size, and wear all round. Just the one tyre was unsettling the car under heavy braking. Gave some interesting torque steer on a wet road too
....you never know
Still, by the time I worked that one out I had rebuilt the brakes, new pads, new discs , new suspension, new..etc, etc
Same tyre make, model, size, and wear all round. Just the one tyre was unsettling the car under heavy braking. Gave some interesting torque steer on a wet road too
....you never know
Still, by the time I worked that one out I had rebuilt the brakes, new pads, new discs , new suspension, new..etc, etc
07 June 2005, 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by ALi-B
Last time I had problem like that, of all the things it turned out to be a faulty tyre.
Same tyre make, model, size, and wear all round. Just the one tyre was unsettling the car under heavy braking. Gave some interesting torque steer on a wet road too
....you never know
Still, by the time I worked that one out I had rebuilt the brakes, new pads, new discs , new suspension, new..etc, etc
Same tyre make, model, size, and wear all round. Just the one tyre was unsettling the car under heavy braking. Gave some interesting torque steer on a wet road too
....you never know
Still, by the time I worked that one out I had rebuilt the brakes, new pads, new discs , new suspension, new..etc, etc
Brakes - new front disks, new pads. All checked and serviced by a decent mechanic. Fluid bled and done.
Suspension - possibly....
07 June 2005, 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Senior_AP
Car (my GTi-6) is at Peugeot dealer. My "braking problem". Car yanking to the side (could be either side) under moderate/heavy braking.
Are your caliper pistons okay..? What's pad wear like..? Perhaps worth removing the front (or all) wheels and checking run-out..?
Keep us posted. Curious now...
Jonts.
07 June 2005, 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Jonty
If it either veers left or right, would this indicate something either working too much or not enough on either the nearside or offside..? Having never experienced this myself (therefore not in an ideal position to comment), I'd have thought the problem would be at the front, where most of the braking is done..?
Are your caliper pistons okay..? What's pad wear like..? Perhaps worth removing the front (or all) wheels and checking run-out..?
Keep us posted. Curious now...
Jonts.
Are your caliper pistons okay..? What's pad wear like..? Perhaps worth removing the front (or all) wheels and checking run-out..?
Keep us posted. Curious now...
Jonts.
It feels mechanical....handling and acceleration feel fine though. It's only highlighted under heavy braking.
This is doing my head in. I hate pissy problems - cos it'll probably cost nowt to fix - but takes hours in labour working out what it is.
07 June 2005, 01:01 PM
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Originally Posted by ScoobyJawa
Defo sounds suspension related or alignment etc. Could it be a fault with the passive rear steer? Where does it pull to the side from, the front or rear?
Tracking was done and is all good, I assume!!!
For me, it's pulling/dragging from the front though I can't be 100% I'm sorry I can't be specific. It's one of those ***** problems isn't it.
07 June 2005, 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Dream Weaver
Try disconnecting the ABS first then you can get that out of the equation.
Already done that, also, ABS was checked by RGS and Peugeot.
The problem feels mechanical in its sheer violence of how hard it pulls (yanks is a better word).
If I'm being "yanked", then I come off the brake then re-apply it - it seems ok........sometimes. You see, so bloody intermitent and random.