Mark A

iTrader: (1)

Been thinking about changing the engine in my 205 (1.6) any suggestions,

I would like a bit more power and fun, so looked at 1.9, 1.9 16v, 2.0 16v and 1.6 16v

1. need it to fit easily
2. not massively expensive
3. tunable

or do I keep the car as standard sell it and buy something else?
or keep the car and sort the suspension, tyres and brakes out?

For anybody who knows me this is after the impreza is back together and running

Mark A

leonpoole

The 405 MI16 engine is quite a popular choice for the 205.
Dont know how easy fitting is though

mw2655

hi, have a look on www.205gtidrivers.com

cheers matt.

i'm sticking with 1.9 8v plus weight loss.

Dream Weaver

If you're on a budget go for the 1.9 engine, but keep the 1.6 gearbox for better acceleration.

Mi16 is easy enough to fit, but costs mucho money to do it properly, and you need some expensive bits like the re-angled manifold at £395. Too many people just bung an old Mi engine in then wonder why it blows up very quickly. I've added a rebuilt one into mine, which could still blow up but the odds are better.

ellisg

www.pumaracing.com - will give you a good background on the engines but heres a brief guide

Both the 1.6 and 1.9 8v were in a high state of tune from the factory, with lairly cams and good induction/exhaust from standard so tuning diffi.

If you look on 205gtidrivers forum, you will get details of how to get to about 150bhp, any more than that is expensive, generally difficult to tune easily, no filter/exhaust/chip give any results.

1.9/2.0 Turbos - These have masses of torque, too much for the chassis imo. They are expensive to buy or build. The 2.0 turbo from XM is the cheaper way to go. The 1.9 Turbo technics, often need turbo rebuilds, but the ignition/injection was crude and can be replaced to get 200bhp etc

Mi16s (1.9 16v, 2.0 16v, GTi6) - These are effectively rally/race engine detuned for the road, Peugeot used them in 206 WRC and touring cars. Complete opposite to 8v, they have mild cams and induction/exhaust in 405/BX was not ideal. 165bhp when put into 205, cams do well, so do throttle bodies and mapped ignition. Fairly easy to get to 200bhp. Race engines had 325bhp, road engines can get to 270bhp, but cost mega bucks. One issue with them oil surge, the GTi-6 engine is not too bad for it, but the Mis are.

All the engines are XU type so fit fairly easily into 205s

1.6 16v from a 106 Gti - Very good engine but TU based so you have to put in a base model/Rallye 205 not a GTi or be prepared for serious mount modifying/subframe changing


Personally I would buy another 205 with a Mi already installed or a stripped out 1.9 8v with a bit of tuning. The Mi is the upgrade of choice because you gain nearly 40bhp fairly easily and upgrade path is massive, flip side there are quite a few for sale often on ebay with the line "Due to lost license .."

scoobyjohn2000

or the 2.0l turbo from a citreon xm, the engine fits in ok but the wireing was a bitch all green and yellow but was worth the time and went like stink...(but not for long...bang!!!)

Ciaran

iTrader: (16)

if ur interested in the mi16 coversion all uneed on it can be found here www.mi16conversion.co.uk

Big Daz

I am sticking with the 1.9 8V in mine (track car) and just hitting it with a 50hp shot of NOS with a progressive contoller. 1.9 engines can be picked up for 50 -75 quid, by far the cheapest option imho
Daz

SCOOBYD00

MI16. Total laugh.

twybrow

I put a 1.9 8v in my 1.6. Kept the 1.6 'box. It goes like stink, and rips up through the gears. Tops out at circa 120mph. Ours has some major weight loss (no rear seats, dash, heater, spare wheel, sound proofing etc) and it hits 60 in 7s. Plenty of ppl going doing the hybrid engine route for 8v. Popular choice is xu10j2 (?) head from a 2l 8v (306 xsi etc) onto the 1.9 bottom end. Head would need a major skim, but on an otherwise standard car could give 10-15 bhp. Ideally the head would need the inlets ported to match the bottom end. Change for mapped ignition (even on a standard car!) and see gains of up to 20 bhp. Combine the two (big valve head and mapped ignition) and your 1.9 could be pushing 150 bhp.

This conversion can be done on your 1.6, pushing the bhp upto around the same level as a stock 1.9.

Other options include the bottom end from the 2l engine, with a big valve 1.9 head. Bit more pricey, but apparently the valve seats are a better design and generally works better (very technical i know!). Not many have been done tho, so a bit of r & d neede perhaps.

I'd deffo stick with the 8v route. You get no oil surge to speak of, parts are bloody cheap and easy to get hold of. Engine is pretty bomb proof and even if it does go pop, you can always drop your 1.6 lump back in while you rebuild it!

miles25

Hi Tim, I knew I'd spot you in the end

How's the hunt for the scoob going??

I'd second the above on the 8v route, especially if it's going to be a track car. Although I must confess to my 8v expiring on track on sunday, but all the advise I've had is that the 8v is a stronger engine than the 16v and will take a lot more abuse. Mine has been used on well over 16 trackdays, always driven hard and until sunday has never let me down.

If it is to be used heavily you could also consider a baffled sump and even an extra oil drain. And if you want more poke I'd go with Twybrow on the XU10 head

HTH

Mark A

iTrader: (1)

Cheers lads,

I'm learning fast about 205s and after watching video clip of a clio harassing a skyline I'm surely tempted to remove the weight and fit a 150bhp engine on the cheap.

Gearbox/diff is knocking while going round corners when accelerating, diff bearing?

Better get searching e-bay

Mark A

iTrader: (1)

Does the 1.6 206 gearboxes fit the 205?

twybrow

[QUOTE=miles25]Hi Tim, I knew I'd spot you in the end

Hey buddy. Sorry to hear about your engine. What happened? Sadly i have now passed the Pug onto one of the other lads of our consortium (!). I waved good bye to it on monday, got into the girlfriend's Volvo, which promptly died. Looks like something rattling around the clutch/flywheel has totalled the crank sensor. Bollocks.

Oh and yes, sorted a Scoob. Picking her up (thumbing a lift me thinx) 2morrow. I cant wait.Just got shafted by Admiral/Bell/Elephant. £1200 in the end. Price went up £150 for having a 2 year newer car than quuoted for (98 not 96). I was shocked. Same value, same performance etc, so what is the crack?! Bloody insurance *******s!

Looks like it may be time for you to experiment with your new engine then Miles?!

The Chief

Can you still get a Turbo Technics conversion on the 1.9 engine?

Everone seems to harp on about the Mi16 valve conversion but a guy at work had a genuine Dimma 1.9 Turbo many years ago and although it was only pushing 185 bhp it was seriously quick and had loads of lovely mid range oomph.

twybrow

I havent driven a tt or an mi16 powered 205, but apparently the mi16 completely changes the xharacter of the car. The TT conversion is more like a pumped up version of the original engine (1.9 8v), giving more power and torque across the rev range, but as you said, plenty of mid range grunt (something the original 1.9 8v has plenty of already!).

ScoobyJawa

Don't forget the GTi-6 lump, thats getting a popular conversion too, and not much heavier than the Mi16. Better starting point too and more torque..............

Dream Weaver

It still affects the handling quite a bit more than the Mi apparently though, according to maxi on 205gtid.

ScoobyJawa

Yeah but you could address that

(breeze block in the boot )

twybrow

Start with removing all the excess weight. If it is a track car you can go pretty mad here. Rear seats, carpets, dash, heater, electric windows, glass (change to polycarbonate), extra wiring loom to all of the above. then sort the brakes and suspension to suit your needs. Then start on the engine!

As for 206 gearboxes, i doubt it. Why would you want to? The choice of bolt-on 'boxes is huge. Try 205gti.com

Mark A

iTrader: (1)

Right every so often this thing refuses to start. Always first thing in the morning, any ideas? SAD? and if where is it?

Mark

Dream Weaver

Could be many things but first try the brown multiplug. This houses the wire from the ignition to the starter solenoid and can get loads of crap inside it. The plug sits near the gearbox, and has a thick blue wire coming from it - it also houses all the warning light wiring.

Turn the ignition on and connect this wire straight to the battery, if it starts first time theres your problem.

Just clean the plug and connections out.

ScoobyJawa

SAD is under the distributor, do a search on http://forum.205gtidrivers.com mate, its been covered loads!

twybrow

Mark, what did you opt for in the end?

Mark A

iTrader: (1)

Well my mate bought a clio 16v 2.0 litre. It's a pure track car with no interior and very light panels,bonnet & boot. We shared a drive today so I've decide to retain the pug as standard for the moment.
If I do change the engine then either a tuned 1.9 on the cheap or a 16v from a 306 etc

Mark

JCScooby

Fill it with saw dust and oil then punt it on E-bay

Nah just kidding.

Does a saxo Vts Engine not go straight in there? Might be a good option or what about twin carbs and high lift cam?

super6four

Hmm do you think you could fit the K20 engine from a Civic Type R in a 205 ? If so I know someone who has one. Imagine 200 bhp n/a 8k revs and it is a light Aluminium block as well....? Just a thought. Or take out the back seats and....ok maybe getting silly now.

rb5_336

the mi16 is also an ali block and can easily produce 200bhp with not a lot of money

if your looking for a track car and need inspiration then look at my 2 x 205 track cars so far here

Sean