Plums!

Was at the Geneva car show yesterday evening (The final evening of the show!)

and to celebrate during the final hour car horns were a blazing!!!

Plus Ferrari thought it would be fun to fill the hall with F430 engine noise!!!!
followed by a return fire from the Zonda S vibrating the walls!!!

Amazing......

Although half of my body was cringing!!! At this thought....

These cars hadn't moved in the last ten days..... Yet they were started and then without hesitation quite firmly NAILED HARD!!!! For about 1 minute then shut off again..... this happened at least 5-6 times!!!!

No warm up not even an idle.......

Ouch.....

Plums....

SiDHEaD

If they can't look after them they should give them to someone who will... me!


Although in saying that I hammer mine from cold as its under warranty. It has a cold-engine limiter at 6000rpm tho.

Gary C

They don't give a stuff about the cars on display I bet.

They probably go off to Car mag test drivers who give them a sound thrashing anyway.

billythekid

I suspect the cars were quite warm under all the lights etc so oil prob already at a good 25 - 30c, and with no load on the engine its not a major issue. I did quite a lot of sprinting in the past and would sit there waiting for my run revving my engine to try and get some heat into it. Although if it was my Zonda I would not let them do it If anything it would be the shut down that would worry me, the heads would prob be very hot with coolant at a lot lower temp, this temp difference is not good. I would want to leave it running for a couple of mins.

Pumpkin

its all part of the running in procedure :-)

Gary C

Probably PSLewis's anti-**** running in procedure.

DJ140

Don't buy a car from this man.....

I never rev an engine until it's up to temperature, I guess that's why I've not had a major engine/gearbox component fail in 23 years of motoring.

nisr227

...there are a lot of people who cain their (sorry someone elses) engines when cold.....usually a company car. Evidence to show that people with older cars who have to pay their bills usually look after their's better.

AudiLover

If im planning on driving hard I'll let my engine warm up for 10-15 mins. If im just going to pop down the shop I wont let the engine run but I also wont rev the nuts off it as I have no reason to.

billythekid

You never know but they might have had an oil heater on..

Gutmann pug

Great cars ferrari's are

midget1500

yeah, keep it below 3k rpm when cold. it's not until you blow an engine and rebuild it and work on your own car that you truely appreciate the mechanical hell an engine goes through, day in day out. i think its amazing that you can do 8krpm on an engine and drive to that all day long without any damage.

Plums!

Start up foot up and down to the floor on the throttle for about a minute then shut everything off like nothing ever happened!!!! wasn't my car but it still hurt!!!!

Sorry you've gotta be frickin nuts.....

P.S. may explain why ferraris are so fragile though (maybe they wouldn't be in the right hands........ or feet )

ALi-B

iTrader: (1)

IMO the "do not rev when cold" is massively over-exaggerated.

Every single lease car (and van) the company has had has been ragged when cold. Also when brand with 10miles on the clock.

Not one has ever burnt excessive oil or blown up

I'm not sure the same would apply for Ferarris, but for a well engineered engine with good tolerances vs metal expansion properties (loose when cold, tight when hot...ala Honda). The old wives tail could be dead and buried in this modern age of metalluargy

Gutmann pug

I think you will find Subaru test their engines pretty harshly as do other manufacturers. Im not for a minute suggestion you go and rag the **** off your car from cold and immediately turn it off, but I bet Subaru do to ensure that the odd silly billy who does it doesnt have an engine claim every week.......

I can just imagine the Subaru test guys laughing at the muppets in the petrol station with their engines running for a couple of minutes after a run

If you're going to keep your car till 120,000 miles it might be an issue but I bet even if abused the engine is good for 100K without issue.....

Just my opinion of course ..... and yes after a very hard drive I did let her run, but not after a quick spirited drive.

Gary

Plums!

metalluargy is one thing.... oil circulation is another!!!!

Reving the nuts off cold engines isn't this the prime reason for cylinder head gasket failure?

Plums.

midget1500

anyone who seriously believes that jumping in a car and driving it with no regard for the temperature of the engine (esp. the oil) does no damage is mad!

ALi-B

iTrader: (1)

Only a issue k-series Rovers (partially due to cooling circuit design) But they still blow head gaskets when treated like royalty

Oil circulates as soon as that little oil pressure light is out - we're talking a rate of gallons a minute. Remove your oil filter and start the engine, and see how quick it'll empty the sump

Aeration of oil, caused by viscosity is the only factor, but with modern multigrades in order of 0w and 5w-30 this is minimised. And is a far cry from the 15w and 20w-50 or 40 monogrades of yesteryear.

midget1500

people always slag the k series but i'm running a 1.8k with std internals and tuned to 170 bhp, redlining at 8k rpm, it gets absolutely flogged day in, day out. it just wants to rev its brains out and has tons of torque. used it for over a year and no problems at all. redlined it when cold one day (long story) and cracked a liner. my fault, not the engines.

the HG problem is well documented and does plague the engine but do not let that detract from a fantastic engine!

ALi-B

iTrader: (1)

Go away, this isn't going to be another Rover is great debate thread

The only engine I know that throws it's dummy out when thrashed whilst cold is a K-series, end of.

Great engine. Just some accountant wouldn't pay to fix it properly

Plums!

Still with the best and lowest viscocity oil in the world it still takes several seconds for the oil to obtain optimal pressure......

Plums....

MGJohn

Me too .... in my case for 47 years! I tend to keep my own cars for long periods and with that in mind, I also progressively 'run in' my new cars. One exception - yes, it was a company car - I started using full performance when it had only done 800 miles. Nipped up a piston on the Motorway and had a 'clicking' noise for the next 10,000 miles which eventually went away .... whatever it was, careful progressive use after that 800 miles incident may have 'planished' away the problem. Car NEVER let me down though, despite hard regular use.
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