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Old 03 August 2006, 09:19 PM
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Default Brilliant VAG remap in York :)

Just had an excellent remap by Pete at Bell auto services in York, and thought I should share my experience. Car is an Ibiza Cupra TDI 160 PD.

Pete is a friendly, articulate bloke who really knows his stuff. Unlike a lot of larger well known mappers, he actually writes his own code. If anyone is thinking of getting a remap, then don't hesitate (he doesn't do Ekutek, though).

The beauty of his remap is that everything is changeable - I had four map tweaks before I was fully happy - he is able to tailor the map to your driving style. We started off with a 'middleing' map (his words) which then got turned down at the bottom and up at the top!!

I have an aggressive style which entails a lot of full throttle from low revs (aka clutch killer ) so my map was tailored to not come in too hard low down.

I cannot recommend this guy enough - I am very wary about whom I trust my car with...and I'm only running 2psi more than standard, but by god does it fly

Another word of advice - I thought I wanted an aggressive map, but found that traction is a real issue (Pete reckoned there is plenty more to give in my map, should I desire it). I wonder what the Beeza would be like with legal slick tires, uprated clutch and a really aggressive remap...

You either get a generic map and drive around it (ie baby it at low revs), or get one customised for the way you drive...

He remaps quite a few different vehicles too...
Old 03 August 2006, 10:08 PM
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Any idea of the BHP after the remap then???
Old 03 August 2006, 10:48 PM
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that does sound very good,
I got a revo'd a4 130,up to about 180bhp, and at low revs the car feels terrible, used to stall it when I first got it, and pulling out of junctions it can be quite interesting
But when it does come alive it more than makes up for it

Taff
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Originally Posted by taffyboyo
that does sound very good,
I got a revo'd a4 130,up to about 180bhp, and at low revs the car feels terrible, used to stall it when I first got it, and pulling out of junctions it can be quite interesting
But when it does come alive it more than makes up for it

Taff
Somethings seriously wrong there Taff, the car should be as smooth as it was from the factory... Prob a problem which the remap is highlighting (i.e. a boost leak or something??)

Chris
Old 03 August 2006, 11:17 PM
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Chris, no mate nothing wrong, the car is running perfectly, what I meant was that it was me who caused the car car to stall, not enough revs at junctions or speedhumps etc, but I'm used to it now, revo are known for having a more aggresive map, all or nothing so to speak, I've got the sps1 switch to put it back to factory and it is smoother running standard, just a bit gutless compared to the performance map,
cheers
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Originally Posted by nickwrxstiV2
Any idea of the BHP after the remap then???
Around 200bhp&300lb/ft
Old 03 August 2006, 11:34 PM
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300lb/ft but only puts out 200bhp what does it rev to ?
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Originally Posted by taffyboyo
revo are known for having a more aggresive map, all or nothing so to speak, I've got the sps1 switch to put it back to factory and it is smoother running standard, just a bit gutless compared to the performance map,
cheers
Taff
Revo are actually one of the less-aggressive maps, car should be as smooth as it was from the factory..
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Is it the same guy who drives a yellow cupra himself?

If so nice bloke and comes to the Briskoda meets but i tend to avoid him as i am easy to tempt
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Originally Posted by DavidBrown
300lb/ft but only puts out 200bhp what does it rev to ?
It'll rev to about 4,500 rpm but there's no need as its producing peak power at 3,750 rpm. It's producing peak torque at 1900 rpm but holds onto 90% of it all the way to well over 4,000 rpm.
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Originally Posted by mattbeef
Is it the same guy who drives a yellow cupra himself?

If so nice bloke and comes to the Briskoda meets but i tend to avoid him as i am easy to tempt

No, this bloke is a land rover 4x4 offroad nut...
Old 04 August 2006, 11:45 AM
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Did you get it tuned on a rolling road then ?
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Originally Posted by Christ
Revo are actually one of the less-aggressive maps, car should be as smooth as it was from the factory..
the car is as it should be, the problems I experienced was because of my driving style, not the car, I'm just not very good at explianing things, but we are both doing fine now
thanks
Taff
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lol, no worries, pleased you are both ok

interested in this guy from York though, will look him up when I get my
new car... I think Ive seen him post on the ukmkiv's website now I think
abuot it...

Chris
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Originally Posted by DavidBrown
300lb/ft but only puts out 200bhp what does it rev to ?
Its an oil burner David.high torque, but low revs = low (comparatively) power.
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Originally Posted by Andy M3
Did you get it tuned on a rolling road then ?

No, as the car isn't fully run in yet. He has torque graphs for the software which gives you a good idea of what the car should produce...

I'm going to get it rolling roaded for a bit of fun in a couple of weeks.
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I had my car custom tuned on a RR. Took about 3-4 hours. TBH, i would have yours rolling roaded ASAP - you need to ensure the car is running as it should as guess work isn't the best way IMO.

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Originally Posted by Jamesemt
No, as the car isn't fully run in yet. He has torque graphs for the software which gives you a good idea of what the car should produce...

I'm going to get it rolling roaded for a bit of fun in a couple of weeks.
Let us know how it does James!
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Originally Posted by Andy M3
I had my car custom tuned on a RR. Took about 3-4 hours. TBH, i would have yours rolling roaded ASAP - you need to ensure the car is running as it should as guess work isn't the best way IMO.

Andy

Why? Rolling roads are there to yield easy money for tuners. You drive your car on the road so that is the best place for mapping. No rolling road will accurately replicate conditions comparable to seventy miles an hour on a road. They can be a useful tool to gain a base map but the real map should always be refined on the road. I also cannot understand why your car needed to be on a rolling road for four hours, presumably you were being charged by the hour. Imagine the heatsoak after all that time.

Maz
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Originally Posted by Andy M3
I had my car custom tuned on a RR. Took about 3-4 hours. TBH, i would have yours rolling roaded ASAP - you need to ensure the car is running as it should as guess work isn't the best way IMO.

Andy
I could understand this if the car was something old and carb fed, but its ECU controlled - the car is only running 2psi more than standard (and that's only from 2,500rpm...). I'm sure that the ECU will go into limp home mode long before something pops...If I were running the engine at the absolute limit then fair enough - but I've got an average 'middle map' which I then asked him to turn down as I was wheel spinning in 3rd in the dry...

Besides aren't rolling roads a bit inaccurate for actual air flow? For some reason Impreza owners seem obsessed with rolling road tuning, when in reality don't you always drive on the road? My 271bhp WRX was tuned by a well known tuner on here (on a rr) and was very laggy...
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i find a remap on the road loads better than a rolling road tune, on the rollers they always suffer with heat soak where on the roads its actual driving conditions
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Originally Posted by Dave uk blue mica
i find a remap on the road loads better than a rolling road tune, on the rollers they always suffer with heat soak where on the roads its actual driving conditions
Even the most expensive all singing all dancing dyno will not replicate airflow at over fifty miles an hour never mind any faster.
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All the comments on rolling roads are very valid. They are only any use for creating base starting point maps, power runs and diagnosing those irritating intermittant faults that don't show when sat in the workshop.
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James, Is your Ibiza brand new then ?

I thought I was jumping the gun abit getting my Fabia remapped after 8 months.......hehehe not 8 days!!

What will you do when it goes in for service ? The thing I like I about the one-click is the switch it back to standard milarky
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Yeah it was brand new - I've done just short of 1200 miles in it now. The plan was to get the car remapped ASAP - the one condition after getting rid of the Scoob.

It's NEVER going to be serviced by SEAT - there are some true horror stories about those muppets...

You do know that so called one-click systems can be detected? They've only got to inspect the software. What if the dealer plugs a one-click system in? My local mapper showed me a REVO map from a Petrol Cupra which had 'REVO' displayed down one side of the software...

My mapper will tweak/remove the map any time for free as many times as I like.

TBH theres a lot of scaremongering about warranties, I think you'd have to be quite unlucky to have a major warranty claim.

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