recommend me a track day turbo barge
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recommend me a track day turbo barge
ok folks bought an mx5 for some track day fun.only thing is i get blown away on the straights.i want revenge.what can i get cheap to blow away corsas with red top engines.it dosent have to handle.thoughts are subaru twin turbo legacy or a saab turbo dont know which model or volvo 850t5 anyone have any input and if its cheap to up the power thats a bonus.
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How about an old Audi S4 (based on the 100) the legendary 5cyl 2.2 series
Should put a few of the newer generation of cars to shame on the straight, an even though its a barge, it doesnt handle like one
Failing that, an S6 or an S2 or if ur really down on cash, an Audi 100 turbo
Should put a few of the newer generation of cars to shame on the straight, an even though its a barge, it doesnt handle like one
Failing that, an S6 or an S2 or if ur really down on cash, an Audi 100 turbo
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Yep, I have a Saab and even an Aero isnt a track car without a lot of work, heavy, wrong wheel drive, had a T5, similar but with much worse traction and cornering, you can get a Saab to do the track thing but it would be a like a FWD touring car, fast but still FWD, RWD for the track please !
Dare I mention it, dare I summon up the demons, but how about a Soarer 2.5 TT.....
Fiat Coupe Turbo, fine in principle as they handle ok but it will break with the sustained battering they get on the track.
How about a Capri with the 2.9 Cossie or YB in ?
I better the bigger engined last shape 5 series BMW stripped out and tracked up would be fantastic, despite lacking a turbo, 535, lightened, free flowing exhaust etc would be great, if you can find a manual that is.
944 Turbo
Dare I mention it, dare I summon up the demons, but how about a Soarer 2.5 TT.....
Fiat Coupe Turbo, fine in principle as they handle ok but it will break with the sustained battering they get on the track.
How about a Capri with the 2.9 Cossie or YB in ?
I better the bigger engined last shape 5 series BMW stripped out and tracked up would be fantastic, despite lacking a turbo, 535, lightened, free flowing exhaust etc would be great, if you can find a manual that is.
944 Turbo
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There will always be someone faster...
I started track days in my Puma but wanted to go as fast as the Imprezas.
I bought an Impreza and was then left behind by the EVOs and Jap Imprezas.
I bought an Sti Type R and was nearly the fastest....but the car was too expensive to track.
I bought a Clio Cup and wasn't far off being the fastest and had a lot more fun thatn in the Imprezas.
I bought an MX5 as it was RWD But it broke so I had to get shot
I'd have another MX5 once I have the time and money to run it as a third car.
Steve
I started track days in my Puma but wanted to go as fast as the Imprezas.
I bought an Impreza and was then left behind by the EVOs and Jap Imprezas.
I bought an Sti Type R and was nearly the fastest....but the car was too expensive to track.
I bought a Clio Cup and wasn't far off being the fastest and had a lot more fun thatn in the Imprezas.
I bought an MX5 as it was RWD But it broke so I had to get shot
I'd have another MX5 once I have the time and money to run it as a third car.
Steve
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come on. everyone knows its impossible to break an mx5.lol.
clio cup not bad
old audi s4 sounds good as does mr2 turbo.
fiat coupe turbo.scared it might break.
mx5 turbo or supercharged might be an idea.keep them coming.
clio cup not bad
old audi s4 sounds good as does mr2 turbo.
fiat coupe turbo.scared it might break.
mx5 turbo or supercharged might be an idea.keep them coming.
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ok folks bought an mx5 for some track day fun.only thing is i get blown away on the straights.i want revenge.what can i get cheap to blow away corsas with red top engines.it dosent have to handle.thoughts are subaru twin turbo legacy or a saab turbo dont know which model or volvo 850t5 anyone have any input and if its cheap to up the power thats a bonus.
J4CKO, educate him please....
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Buy a 9000 2.3T for about £350, spend £400 on konis and abbott springs, £100 for a chinese intercooler, fab up a cheap 3" downpipe and ask nicely on one of the saab sites for a stage 3 T5 ecu remap (beer money) and have around 300hp and 350+ lb.ft. Admittedly it is front wheel drive but its a hoot to thrash and you'll have a constant line of people asking how a old mans barge goes so well....and if you can drive well you be getting held up in the corners by so called superior handling cars, whether FWD, RWD or 4WD.
You can also lug 10 alloys plus tyres, 60 litres of petrol and a tools and still have space for rubbish etc.
Prices have hit rock bottom with saab 9000's, a stage 3 with full suspension mods, brake upgrades, exhaust etc etc went for £295 with MOT a few weeks ago.
Recent vids from RAF Marham, loads on youtube showing what a well set up turbo nutter barge can do!
YouTube - RAF Marham Sat 18 Apr 09 Part 1
YouTube - RAF Marham Sat 18 Apr 09 Part 2
You can also lug 10 alloys plus tyres, 60 litres of petrol and a tools and still have space for rubbish etc.
Prices have hit rock bottom with saab 9000's, a stage 3 with full suspension mods, brake upgrades, exhaust etc etc went for £295 with MOT a few weeks ago.
Recent vids from RAF Marham, loads on youtube showing what a well set up turbo nutter barge can do!
YouTube - RAF Marham Sat 18 Apr 09 Part 1
YouTube - RAF Marham Sat 18 Apr 09 Part 2
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So you want a wallowy barge for trackdays, that despite its straight line speed will be overtaken on each and every corner by the MX5 you want to replace, which may be slow at gaining speed but if you learn to carry it through the corners you'll be a better driver for it
J4CKO, educate him please....
J4CKO, educate him please....
There were all manner of expensive Caterhams and Lotus going round but unless I was minted I wouldnt want to risk/wreck somethign expensive doign that on a regular basis, a coupel of grands worth of MX5, couple of grand once track readied and you can move the bits to a new one if you break it is more attainable and it isnt the end if it does let go, plus you can give it death.
I think a big old cheap turbo car could be fun for a few laps but having the inside front wheel spin up on a Saab on Volvo would get tiresome, the fact that it wont do what you want would get frustrating, the brakes would probably overheat due to the weight, turbos expire, coolant escape etc.
Ultimate would be a well set up MX5, with perhaps 180 bhp from an engine transplant, XE, Zetec or whatever.
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I've got a saab 9000 2.3 turbo that is "slightly" tuned.
Brilliant engine and straight line speed once rolling, but very suspect handling. Wouldn't want to track mine without investing in a lot of suspension bits and better brakes. At the end of the day, they're just too damn heavy for track work IMO.
Brilliant engine and straight line speed once rolling, but very suspect handling. Wouldn't want to track mine without investing in a lot of suspension bits and better brakes. At the end of the day, they're just too damn heavy for track work IMO.
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Good grief its like the 9k mini meet - and I've never owned a scooby! For track stuff the 9k in standard form is not fun, but as Mark says, prices are low now so a cheeky upgrade is easy.
The jewel is that the 2.3 engine is a peach / tough as old boots and the remapping is pretty much open source now...
I just got 448bhp peak crank on a home tune, and an unopened block and head.... (402whp)
dyno run for interest... yuckky boost surge now cured too. Car is toasty too - these are pulls 4,5,6 and intake temps way higher than on the road.
Faero at Dastek :: Faero's 450bhp 9000 AERO video by soulfirer - Photobucket
The jewel is that the 2.3 engine is a peach / tough as old boots and the remapping is pretty much open source now...
I just got 448bhp peak crank on a home tune, and an unopened block and head.... (402whp)
dyno run for interest... yuckky boost surge now cured too. Car is toasty too - these are pulls 4,5,6 and intake temps way higher than on the road.
Faero at Dastek :: Faero's 450bhp 9000 AERO video by soulfirer - Photobucket
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The MX5 is an ideal car. If you want more power stick a turbo or charger on. Plenty of the guys on Northloop run then in varying states of tune. Dale gets his round the ring in 8mins 41 with a stock engine, so they can't be that slow
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Buy a disco potato, bigger injectors 3" exhaust and chinese intercooler and it'll make 370+ hp with 400 lb.ft torque and mid range performance will take your breath away.
Fit a GT3071 and get more lag but 420-500hp and 400-500lb.ft
It cost me $80 for 630cc injectors from the states, £25 for 3bar map sensor from the states, £100 for intercooler off ebay, £450 for a gt3071 a/r 0.64 turbo off ebay, £350 for full 3" exhaust of ebay and have about 400hp/400lb,ft+ of performance and 35mpg??
My mate has a huge collection of exotic cars from aston martins to ac cobras, he also has a 2008 scooby wrx sti tuned to whatever, however, he bought a 1993 9000 aero for £550 with full suspension upgrade and only 245 dynoed hp (standard, must make more when they are run in with 150000 miles on the clock) he drives it to the track and thrashes it and then drives home...
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Was thinking the same. MX5s are good canidates for engine conversions too.
That include v8 coversion; In the US you can get coneversion kits:
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Bishop's Monster Miata V8 Miata Kits
Pity the £ is so bad against the $ these days
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Toyota : TOYOTA CELICA GT4 ST205 WRC 16v 4WD 360BHP!
Would have another in a heartbeat. Handle really well much better than my Impreza did
Would have another in a heartbeat. Handle really well much better than my Impreza did
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No huge mods by any means, the 9k engine is a good base to work from
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