Audi TT Platform
15 March 2002, 12:23 PM
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Guys & Girls,
A mate as work has just taken delivery of his 180bhp TT.
Now I have to say I'm not a big fan of them but it is very very sexy.
Black with the big 18" wheels ( standard on all UK car now ! ), and the inside is lurvely !
But to deflate his ego a little is the chasis and engine the same as those found in the Golf / A3 / Octavia ???, albeit tuned and tweeked and 4WD...
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Paul
15 March 2002, 12:31 PM
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Read this....................
..just a Skoda with a turbo
AUDI TT 180 Coupe
Based on the A3/Golf sized VW Audi Common Platform, the Audi TT is one of the marvel's of modern motoring.
At the heart of every TT is a turbocharged 20 valve 4 cylinder VW/Audi engine. This reliable unit is fitted to millions of Golfs, Passats, A3s, A4s and more recently the Seat and even Skoda sisters of these vehicles. But in the TT the powerful Turbo boosts its power to either 180 or 225 bhp.
..just a Skoda with a turboAUDI TT 180 Coupe
Based on the A3/Golf sized VW Audi Common Platform, the Audi TT is one of the marvel's of modern motoring.
At the heart of every TT is a turbocharged 20 valve 4 cylinder VW/Audi engine. This reliable unit is fitted to millions of Golfs, Passats, A3s, A4s and more recently the Seat and even Skoda sisters of these vehicles. But in the TT the powerful Turbo boosts its power to either 180 or 225 bhp.
15 March 2002, 02:04 PM
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TT180 huh? nice car..
I have the same engine, turbo, gearbox, 4wd setup, ESP, chassis, countless other parts...
...but I drive a Skoda Thats usually enough to upset them
Ian
[Edited by ianc - 3/15/2002 2:05:18 PM]
I have the same engine, turbo, gearbox, 4wd setup, ESP, chassis, countless other parts...
...but I drive a Skoda
Thats usually enough to upset them Ian
[Edited by ianc - 3/15/2002 2:05:18 PM]
15 March 2002, 02:36 PM
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It does kinda worry me the stigma still attached to Skodas.
I would seriously look at one as a quick reliable family car, but for peoples impressions.
I applaud people who are not as self conscious as moi, who would rather pay 5k extra for the Audi equilivant..
Good on Yer !
I would seriously look at one as a quick reliable family car, but for peoples impressions.
I applaud people who are not as self conscious as moi, who would rather pay 5k extra for the Audi equilivant..
Good on Yer !
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15 March 2002, 11:58 PM
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A colleague has a TT 225 coupe, as you say it looks nice and the interior is fantastic. Build quality is in a different league to Scoobs, as you would expect.
But..... doesn't 'seem' particularly quick, and the engine note is the same as a Passat's i.e. dull as ditch water
What a shame Audi haven't done something about this (yet).
Just doesn't do it for me....
Skoda Octavia is a good car though, but compare the residuals against a Golf - the Golf could actually work out cheaper in the long run, even though it's more expensive to buy.
Still an Octavia RS with AmD chip or KKK turbo would be quite a 'Q' car
Cheers
Tim
But..... doesn't 'seem' particularly quick, and the engine note is the same as a Passat's i.e. dull as ditch water
What a shame Audi haven't done something about this (yet).Just doesn't do it for me....
Skoda Octavia is a good car though, but compare the residuals against a Golf - the Golf could actually work out cheaper in the long run, even though it's more expensive to buy.
Still an Octavia RS with AmD chip or KKK turbo would be quite a 'Q' car
Cheers
Tim
16 March 2002, 09:34 PM
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I had a tt up the **** of my gtir for about 3miles in a 30mph zone but whan it came to a twisty,bumpy national speed limited road and he tried to get past me I left him in my dust.He didn't catch up until the next 30mph zone and I'd slowed down again and saw him come flying up behind me.I parked up and as he passed noted it was the 225bhp version.I expected much more from the 4wd.
18 March 2002, 10:13 PM
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I was looking around on the 'net for any Skoda tuners (appeal of destroying people's fragile ego with a Skoda = very tempting!), and found the following:
http://www.audituning.com/english/main.asp
Would be very special :-D
- Jon
http://www.audituning.com/english/main.asp
Skoda Octavia 1.8 T RS 420 hp
Max. power 420 hp (309 kW) vid 5460 r/min
show dyno test
Max. torque 442 lb-ft vid 1720 r/min
show dyno test
Changes New E-proms in ECU, optimization of flow to intercooler, new turbo, exhaust manifold, wastegate, intercooler, injectors, fuel pump, fuel pressure regulator, camshafts, crankshaft, piston rods, pistons, oil cooler, clutch, flywheel, air filter, modification of air filter housing and charge air hoses and pipes, extra engine mounts, modification of crank case breather, porting of cylinder head, 2 x race cats, stainless steel exhaust (turbo-back).
Price incl. installation 27924 EUR excl. VAT
Note This upgrade is TÜV-approved and meets the current european emission regulations. The software maintains full functionality in terms of diagnostics, engine protection and fault code memory.
Max. power 420 hp (309 kW) vid 5460 r/min
show dyno test
Max. torque 442 lb-ft vid 1720 r/min
show dyno test
Changes New E-proms in ECU, optimization of flow to intercooler, new turbo, exhaust manifold, wastegate, intercooler, injectors, fuel pump, fuel pressure regulator, camshafts, crankshaft, piston rods, pistons, oil cooler, clutch, flywheel, air filter, modification of air filter housing and charge air hoses and pipes, extra engine mounts, modification of crank case breather, porting of cylinder head, 2 x race cats, stainless steel exhaust (turbo-back).
Price incl. installation 27924 EUR excl. VAT
Note This upgrade is TÜV-approved and meets the current european emission regulations. The software maintains full functionality in terms of diagnostics, engine protection and fault code memory.
- Jon
18 March 2002, 11:24 PM
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Veracocha - you talk ****!
TT's are mincers cars that are nowhere near as quick as the hairdresser-drivers think they are - get real !
I had an Ibiza Cupra 20VT and that is the same engine as found in these jumped up hairdresser transports (even tho they tame it a bit for the Ibiza). I've been in an Ibiza with 220bhp and that isn't as quick as an Impreza so let alone a lard-*** TT !
pet hate n'all
[Edited by mattski2 - 3/18/2002 11:27:46 PM]
TT's are mincers cars that are nowhere near as quick as the hairdresser-drivers think they are - get real !
I had an Ibiza Cupra 20VT and that is the same engine as found in these jumped up hairdresser transports (even tho they tame it a bit for the Ibiza). I've been in an Ibiza with 220bhp and that isn't as quick as an Impreza so let alone a lard-*** TT !
pet hate n'all
[Edited by mattski2 - 3/18/2002 11:27:46 PM]
19 March 2002, 09:45 AM
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sadly that is just the tuning cost - I know Dahlback Racing do a 350bhp TUV approved job, but it s a little costly.
NBW, yes it can be dropped, the 4x4 has a multilink rear axle to sit either side the rear diff, tho it's surprisingly stiff to start with and I quite like not needing to worry about hitting potholes etc at speed without unsettling the car. I think the ride height is about 119mm for the RS, 129mm for the standard, and 134mm for mine, so not much to drop anyhows, may take it down a little.
NBW, yes it can be dropped, the 4x4 has a multilink rear axle to sit either side the rear diff, tho it's surprisingly stiff to start with and I quite like not needing to worry about hitting potholes etc at speed without unsettling the car. I think the ride height is about 119mm for the RS, 129mm for the standard, and 134mm for mine, so not much to drop anyhows, may take it down a little.
19 March 2002, 02:25 PM
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Paul and MattSki,
From someone who used to drive an MY98 Impreza Turbo I can assure you the std 225 is just as quick as any of the std turbo models.
And your facts about the TT platform are not correct.
The TT is a platform share (at a very basic level) with several other models in the VW Audi group, but that is not the same thing as having the same chassis.
The TT has (compared to a Golf for example) a shorter, wider wheelbase, and an additional subframe (look at them parked next to each other if you don't believe me). It is also one of the stiffest chassis in its class (the coupe at least is a stiffer chassis than a Boxster). Clearly the TT also does not share a bodyshell or look like any other car......
NBW - yes you can lower the TT. The best option (which I have just had fitted) is the H&R adjustable springs and dampers. I have had mine lowered by 25mm. To the eye it does not look lowered but compared to other TT's the ride height is visibly different and looks much sharper. The new suspension geometry has completely dialled out the understeer tendencies, turn in has remained very sharp and mid corner feel is vastly improved.
If anyone wants any more info let me know, perhaps we could arrange a mini meet!
From someone who used to drive an MY98 Impreza Turbo I can assure you the std 225 is just as quick as any of the std turbo models.
And your facts about the TT platform are not correct.
The TT is a platform share (at a very basic level) with several other models in the VW Audi group, but that is not the same thing as having the same chassis.
The TT has (compared to a Golf for example) a shorter, wider wheelbase, and an additional subframe (look at them parked next to each other if you don't believe me). It is also one of the stiffest chassis in its class (the coupe at least is a stiffer chassis than a Boxster). Clearly the TT also does not share a bodyshell or look like any other car......
NBW - yes you can lower the TT. The best option (which I have just had fitted) is the H&R adjustable springs and dampers. I have had mine lowered by 25mm. To the eye it does not look lowered but compared to other TT's the ride height is visibly different and looks much sharper. The new suspension geometry has completely dialled out the understeer tendencies, turn in has remained very sharp and mid corner feel is vastly improved.
If anyone wants any more info let me know, perhaps we could arrange a mini meet!
19 March 2002, 02:46 PM
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I *think* NBW was asking about if it was possible to lower the octavia 4x4, not the TT.....
...however, I'm interested, how much did the H&R kit cost? Could be in the market for something along those lines.
You say it removes a lot of the understeer, how do you find the car reacts when the ESP cuts in, currently there is a touch of understeer then ESP brakes the inside back wheel and it pulls in very sharply, I would hate it to go twitchy at that moment.
Thoughts?
...however, I'm interested, how much did the H&R kit cost? Could be in the market for something along those lines.
You say it removes a lot of the understeer, how do you find the car reacts when the ESP cuts in, currently there is a touch of understeer then ESP brakes the inside back wheel and it pulls in very sharply, I would hate it to go twitchy at that moment.
Thoughts?
19 March 2002, 04:57 PM
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Ian, the H&R kit cost circa £ 350, fitted by AMd in Bicester.
>>You say it removes a lot of the understeer, how do you find the car reacts when the ESP cuts in, currently there is a touch of understeer then ESP brakes the inside back wheel and it pulls in very sharply, I would hate it to go twitchy at that moment. Thoughts?<<
It removes all the understeer.
Regarding the ESP, when switched on, I find it only ever cut in under hard acceleration when the car is turning into a bend , never exiting or in mid corner - I've never had it cut in mid corner when the car is set.
That said, I see what you're saying. The only way of describing it is that before, lift off oversteer (around a 50-60mph bend) was quite scary, but if the rear of the car did break away, it was progressive and easily "catchable" (this only happened to me once, and that was in the wet, on a roundabout) but with the new suspension set up, lift off oversteer is negated to a large degree as the ride is so much firmer.
I also had the 16mm wheel spacers fitted. With the wider track, the steering is a little heavier but the advantage of this is that the feedback is much better - I always felt the TT's steering, whilst very sharp turn in, was a little light, but less so now. The H&R option is an essential mod for the TT, IMO.
Ian - are you the same Ianc from the TT forum?
>>You say it removes a lot of the understeer, how do you find the car reacts when the ESP cuts in, currently there is a touch of understeer then ESP brakes the inside back wheel and it pulls in very sharply, I would hate it to go twitchy at that moment. Thoughts?<<
It removes all the understeer.
Regarding the ESP, when switched on, I find it only ever cut in under hard acceleration when the car is turning into a bend , never exiting or in mid corner - I've never had it cut in mid corner when the car is set.
That said, I see what you're saying. The only way of describing it is that before, lift off oversteer (around a 50-60mph bend) was quite scary, but if the rear of the car did break away, it was progressive and easily "catchable" (this only happened to me once, and that was in the wet, on a roundabout) but with the new suspension set up, lift off oversteer is negated to a large degree as the ride is so much firmer.
I also had the 16mm wheel spacers fitted. With the wider track, the steering is a little heavier but the advantage of this is that the feedback is much better - I always felt the TT's steering, whilst very sharp turn in, was a little light, but less so now. The H&R option is an essential mod for the TT, IMO.
Ian - are you the same Ianc from the TT forum?
19 March 2002, 05:11 PM
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Nope, not on the TT forum, sadly I found many of the TT owners very derogatory towards the octavia when I searched through. Shame as I think the TT is a very sweet design, just not big enough for my requirements.
I agree that in the dry I tend to get the ESP flashing entering a bend too quickly, but tho I'm no great driver thats not difficult to avoid with the right entry speed, however mid bend (sweeping, usually 50+) and wet it is possible to power out of a bend with a touch of drift before the ESP realises what you are trying to do and tucks the nose in, not sure how this would be with a stiffer setup, I have a hell of a lot more mass and momentum in a bend than you TT guys, would not want it to twitch at that point.
...and of course until chipped all this is with only 150bhp, I will probably remap it and see how it handles on the limit before deciding which way to go suspension wise.
I agree that in the dry I tend to get the ESP flashing entering a bend too quickly, but tho I'm no great driver thats not difficult to avoid with the right entry speed, however mid bend (sweeping, usually 50+) and wet it is possible to power out of a bend with a touch of drift before the ESP realises what you are trying to do and tucks the nose in, not sure how this would be with a stiffer setup, I have a hell of a lot more mass and momentum in a bend than you TT guys, would not want it to twitch at that point.
...and of course until chipped all this is with only 150bhp, I will probably remap it and see how it handles on the limit before deciding which way to go suspension wise.
19 March 2002, 08:00 PM
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<Anorak mode on>
Octavia ground clearance RS=119mm, others 134mm, 4x4mm 151 - so a 25mm drop would do nicely
You might want to give AmD a call to see if the H&R's are suitable for the 4x4.
Very interesting project you have there Ian, one more sad anorak detail though - if you lower it and replace the 4x4 turbo badge and the gear ****, your car would be indistinguishable from a standard cooking version..... just a thought..... unless you also get the Milltek exhaust from AmD
Cheers
Tim
Octavia ground clearance RS=119mm, others 134mm, 4x4mm 151 - so a 25mm drop would do nicely
You might want to give AmD a call to see if the H&R's are suitable for the 4x4.Very interesting project you have there Ian, one more sad anorak detail though - if you lower it and replace the 4x4 turbo badge and the gear ****, your car would be indistinguishable from a standard cooking version..... just a thought..... unless you also get the Milltek exhaust from AmD
Cheers
Tim
20 March 2002, 10:02 PM
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I hope that is lies about the 225TT being as quick as an MY98 cause I'm looking to buy an MY99 on the basis that it will be considerably quicker than my VTS. The reason I'm now worried is cause a 225TT stuggled to gain any real distance (3-5m) on the saxo between 50-100mph. In short its performance seemed pretty mince and the Impreza better be faster or I'll just downgrade to a hot-hatch again!!
21 March 2002, 10:24 AM
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NBW, hehe - I was not thinking of being *that* stealthy, but it's an idea.
The black letters on my "4x4 turbo" badge are flaking anyway (currently reads X turbo), so soon you'll have to be close to read the indented text in the silver bar.
I'm sure that unless it's an RS people won't give it a second thought, especially being an estate.
IC
The black letters on my "4x4 turbo" badge are flaking anyway (currently reads X turbo), so soon you'll have to be close to read the indented text in the silver bar.
I'm sure that unless it's an RS people won't give it a second thought, especially being an estate.
IC
21 March 2002, 10:36 AM
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Saxo boy,
He was obviously not racing you as I have raced a few VTS's in my S3 (210 bhp) and they simply don't stand a chance. I'm not saying that I am proud of this but there is a large performance gap between your VTS and a TT225 and if you think otherwise you are mistaken.
As a drivers car the Scoobs are definately better than a TT225 coupe but unless you are talking an Sti or P1 there is nothing in it in a straight line.
He was obviously not racing you as I have raced a few VTS's in my S3 (210 bhp) and they simply don't stand a chance. I'm not saying that I am proud of this but there is a large performance gap between your VTS and a TT225 and if you think otherwise you are mistaken.
As a drivers car the Scoobs are definately better than a TT225 coupe but unless you are talking an Sti or P1 there is nothing in it in a straight line.
21 March 2002, 10:44 AM
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TaviaRS - damn, don't tell everyone about my plans to cut through traffic with sirens wailing!
Drat, another plan out the window.
(new readers note, it's a white estate )
You still breaking dump valves? Is that why you attached the "tow here" stickers?
Drat, another plan out the window.
(new readers note, it's a white estate
)You still breaking dump valves? Is that why you attached the "tow here" stickers?
21 March 2002, 06:18 PM
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I'd never say that the VTS would keep up with an S3 or 225TT but I didn't feel that they pulled away at a particularly impressive rate. I certainly was impressed considering the difference in price (I know interior, toys, quality, etc). As for getting rid of the Saxo don't worry its all in the plan, saving like hell till the summer then it's MY99 city. All that said I'll be sad to see the VTS go cause for £10,800 new its a very impressive car. The fact you can even begin to compare it performace wise to the £25K cars we've been talking about says it all! all IMHO.
