monotokpoint

Sounds pretty good;

Volkswagen Scirocco R - Road Test First Drive - Autocar.co.uk

stilover

Have to say, I quite like the Scirocco R. Price is comparable with the Focus RS, and if the looks of the Focus are to agressive for you, then the Scirocco would make the better car. Dare bet it's the more comfortable every day car, and will return better mpg.

Tidgy

RS hasn;t stayed at the top of the pile long has it lol

Ford seriously messed up not going AWD, RS should have been a modern day cosworth, instead its just a hot hatch

Matteeboy

I like it - a lot.

monotokpoint

There is a vid of the Scirocco vs RS here too:Autocar Videos - Autocar.co.uk

stilover

Better than the RS Wasn't expecting that from Autocar (FRS lovies)

As much of a Fast Ford fan I am, I do think if it were my hard earned, I'd walk into the VW dealer.

Just can't get away from the fact the RS isn't AWD.

Jimpreza

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I couldn't agree more mate.

ScoobyDoo555

Shame the 'rocco has a pointless boot (in comparison to the RS).....


Was wholly unimpressed with the VW tbh. So much so, that I went with a Golf.

BUT that said, you would have to be a Grade A moron to buy a circa £36K GOlf

Especially when there's other exotica out there to consider for the same money......

Dan

MattW

But nor is the Scirocco so you must have some other criteria?

stilover

True. What I meant was, if it was my money, which would I go for. Based on them both being FWD hatches.

The R would be the better every day car for me. Better interior, less in-your-face looks, better mpg, and better road manners in terms of comfort, while still being fun to drive.

So based on the criteria above, my hard earned would be spent at VW, and not Ford.

Had the RS been AWD, there would be one sat in a Garage waiting for the weekend to come round.

MattW

Yes I see where you are coming from.

Matteeboy

Ford haven't done a performance 4WD for ages - they might have forgotten how to make them!

PovK1

focus rs doesnt need 4wd, if it did have 4wd it would be a much slower car.

Matteeboy

0-60 in 5.9s and 100 in over 14 seconds for the RS.

The Impreza STI (current shape) has roughly the same bhp and torque, weighs slightly more and gets to 60 in under 5 seconds and to 100 in 12.7 seconds.

So 4WD can't be all that daft.

You can also look at RWD - a 306bhp, 300ish lbs/ft (again the sameish as the RS) BMW 335i gets low 5s to 60 and low 12s to 100. And weighs around 100kgs more than the Focus RS...

So how is FWD quicker?

dpb

Was next to a Scarroco today - and jeez theyre as ugly in the car park as going along

This r version looks a little bettter ? maybe from the front - but the 3/4 view from the rear is awful is no better imo , the side windows are completley incongruous with the rear

Im sure it will sell in its millions :whatever_

MattW

5.2 actually

But as you say getting the power down is the issue, I suspect the RS can but it is limited in 1st and 2nd to stop spin.

Matteeboy

Matt -depends where you look - I've seen anything from 4.7 to 5.2 - so I averaged them.

TBH the FRS's acceleration figures are actually a bit lame for s 300bhp hatch.

Mind you, nowhere near as bad as the 300bhp Volvo old S60R semi auto - 7.2 to 60 - I'd send it back immediately!!

TonyBurns

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The JDM's are 4.3-4.5

Tony

Matteeboy

Matt - and why is the RS limited in 1st and 2nd? Because FWD cars cannot put down power quickly and effectively!

ScoobyDoo555

Surely an in-gear (60-100) test is more suitable?

0-60 is pub talk p1ssing contest imho.

What's more interesting is the "on-the-move" figures.

Everybody knows that 4wd will always get off the mark quicker.

Surely what's more interesting is once it's going? The chassis then starts to come into play - a strong point of the 'rocco, FRS and Golf (imho)

0-60 yadda yadda yadda

Dan

SPEN555

Give it AWD or RWD and put the 5 pot in from the Audi TT RS and then we are talking.

lol at the video about the Focus and torque steer. All the threads on here disputing it

Trout

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I suspect the only way that the Scirocco will be an exciting drive will be if Megan Fox is in the passenger seat slowly removing all of her clothes...

PovK1

stage 2 plus fwd 2.0tfsi is quicker down the pod than the stage 2 plus 4wd audi s3.

The RS is just odd.

ALi-B

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And when its raining?

paulwrxboro

its not limited in first and second, only the rev limiter to 3500 so you cant dump the clutch at 5k but will still redline in first/second with full power

paulwrxboro

how many people will stop you in the vw and say i love your car...not many i guess happens daily in the RS

the RS rocks, end of, will they now use the vw as the new benchmark...i think not

MattW

Have to agree Paul, the RS is more iconic. I still think it's a young man's car but those young men will lust after one. The rocco is more of a grown up car, but of course compromised for the family man. Still prefer the S3 myself in terms of a "hot hatch".

MattW

The PPP version is 4.7/8, have a look on the Subaru site.

fivetide

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Totally agree. I don't need to launch a car off the traffic lights 0.1 sec quicker than something else. I do need to pull out from behind a lorry on the A68 at 45mph, boot it and get back in as quickly as possible and take advantage of an opportunity to overtake when it is presented. This is where the diesels do work well too.

5t.

stilover

Sounds like you might have one Paul?

TBH, The RS isn't the car the Fast Ford fans wanted. They (including me) wanted a modern day Escort Cosworth. AWD Turbo power to blow the opposition away.

I understand why Ford didn't give it AWD.

1) Cost. Would have had to charge more. But people still would have bought it. Might have needed more than 300BHP with AWD mind.

2) Weight. The Focus is a big car these days. The RS weight approx 1500kg, which to put it into perspective is the same as a B5 Audi S4 Quattro, which is a Family saloon car with heavy AWD system. The Mk1 RS weighed 1270kg (if I remember correctly). Even the last Impreza STI saloon weighed less than the new RS.

Any new Hot hatch will be compared to the RS rather than the Scirocco, because the RS is a in your face Hot hatch, while the Scirocco is a Hot hatch for the more mature owner, or one that doesn't want people to think they're a boy racer.

10 years time. A mint Escort Cosworth will still be worth more than the current FRS. Had Ford made it AWD this wouldn't be the case.