New BMW 6 series
21 September 2010, 07:36 AM
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New BMW 6 series
21 September 2010, 08:38 AM
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Could be a peugout from behind
i think youll find all theyve done is taken the 3 series coupe and stretched it
i think youll find all theyve done is taken the 3 series coupe and stretched it
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21 September 2010, 12:50 PM
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Looks exactly the same as the unloved previous model to me. 
They've just spent a few thousand euros on arty studio brochure photos to make people think it's something new.
That's "Unterhosen" as I think the Germans might say.
They've just spent a few thousand euros on arty studio brochure photos to make people think it's something new.
That's "Unterhosen" as I think the Germans might say.
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21 September 2010, 01:15 PM
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All new chassis guys, new engines, very interesting M engine going into this little puppy as bmw have officially stopped making the m6/m5 so new engines ahoy!!!
Think turbos, think lots of turbos!!
Think turbos, think lots of turbos!!
21 September 2010, 01:18 PM
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21 September 2010, 04:41 PM
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I opened this thread in anticipation thinking that maybe BMW will redeem themselves from the bland 5 series which looked to much like a 3 series.
And how disappointed am I? It looks like a 3 series coupe. Could have been brilliant but isn't.
And how disappointed am I? It looks like a 3 series coupe. Could have been brilliant but isn't.
21 September 2010, 05:19 PM
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Depends on how you look at things. Does it have some family traits? Of course, same goes for most makes.
Does it actually look like a 3 series coupe? No. The proportions, lines, angles are all different
21 September 2010, 06:19 PM
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21 September 2010, 08:14 PM
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I haven't seen any mate as the car hasn't gone into production. I'm not the one who is saying that it looks near on identical to a 3 series coupe. The pics would suggest to me otherwise from the proportions alone, however I would reserve judgment until I saw one.
That's why I don't understand how you have come to the conclusion that it looks the same as a 3 series coupe. I mean, the size alone would differentiate the two.
That's why I don't understand how you have come to the conclusion that it looks the same as a 3 series coupe. I mean, the size alone would differentiate the two.
21 September 2010, 08:33 PM
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The size would indeed differentiate , as apparently, everything else in the make up but to me it looks like a stretched in every direction 3 series coupe
Im not saying it isnt desirable , if you care for tis sort of thing !
Im not saying it isnt desirable , if you care for tis sort of thing !
21 September 2010, 11:24 PM
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Dingdongler.
The E60 M5 has four solenoids on the vanos units, which, realistically have to be removed, in turn, to remove the solenoids. Which would be about 3-4 hours yes.
How have you come to the conclusion that it's the solenoids that are at fault??!! (bet money you have vanos range faults)
My alarm bells are ringing........
Never changed any, let alone all four.
Has the garage measured the oil supply pressure to the vanos units before condeming the solenoids???!!!
The E60 M5 has four solenoids on the vanos units, which, realistically have to be removed, in turn, to remove the solenoids. Which would be about 3-4 hours yes.
How have you come to the conclusion that it's the solenoids that are at fault??!! (bet money you have vanos range faults)
My alarm bells are ringing........
Never changed any, let alone all four.
Has the garage measured the oil supply pressure to the vanos units before condeming the solenoids???!!!
22 September 2010, 06:46 PM
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Dingdongler.
The E60 M5 has four solenoids on the vanos units, which, realistically have to be removed, in turn, to remove the solenoids. Which would be about 3-4 hours yes.
How have you come to the conclusion that it's the solenoids that are at fault??!! (bet money you have vanos range faults)
My alarm bells are ringing........
Never changed any, let alone all four.
Has the garage measured the oil supply pressure to the vanos units before condeming the solenoids???!!!
The E60 M5 has four solenoids on the vanos units, which, realistically have to be removed, in turn, to remove the solenoids. Which would be about 3-4 hours yes.
How have you come to the conclusion that it's the solenoids that are at fault??!! (bet money you have vanos range faults)
My alarm bells are ringing........
Never changed any, let alone all four.
Has the garage measured the oil supply pressure to the vanos units before condeming the solenoids???!!!
Main dealer plugged it in and read some vanos faults (they couldn't confirm whether these were old or new) and decided that they would like to change all the vanos units for about £3k+. They did nothing else to check the vibration wasn't just a loose engine mount/hose etc. They also wouldn't guarantee that the actual problem would be fixed by changing the vanos units. So these complete stealers wanted me to pay £3k+ to change the vanos units without them even checking anything else.
As you can imagine I lost all faith with them and walked out. I know you work for them but I'm sorry to say I would have nothing other than servicing done from BMW in the future (if I have one less than three years old again). I like the cars, but the dealers leave a lot to be desired.
Anyway, I took the car to an Independent recommended over on piston heads by other M owners. He spent an hour or so going over the whole car to make sure no loose pipes, covers etc. He also said there were no more Vanos error messages (wiped at the BMW dealer about 6 months ago) so those messages must have been old. He bled the vanos down and checked the pressure and said it was normal.
He then did some sort of other test on the solenoids themselves and he said all four failed.
Does that sound reasonable?
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Need to clear a few things up first.....
How did he bleed the vanos units mate? and how did he check the pressure??
What form or diagnosis tool is he using??
Don't forget, dealers are as only as good as the guys turning the spanners.
If they are employing monkeys, you'll get poor results.
The M5 has an inherrant design flaw in the vanos oil system, in the supply high pressure line, from the vanos oil pump to the distribution t piece up near the vanos units. (the line cracks and loses pressure, as it's inside the timing case you won't see any oil leaks)
You need to connect a pressure gauge to the t piece and monitor the line whilst carrying out a bleed proceedure.
You want to see a pressure of about 85bar approx. (100bar max @ full load)
Poor vanos response will make the engine run rough, and have poorer than normal throttle response. This might be why you can feel a vibration and the engine note has changed.
Where are you based???
How did he bleed the vanos units mate? and how did he check the pressure??
What form or diagnosis tool is he using??
Don't forget, dealers are as only as good as the guys turning the spanners.
If they are employing monkeys, you'll get poor results.
The M5 has an inherrant design flaw in the vanos oil system, in the supply high pressure line, from the vanos oil pump to the distribution t piece up near the vanos units. (the line cracks and loses pressure, as it's inside the timing case you won't see any oil leaks)
You need to connect a pressure gauge to the t piece and monitor the line whilst carrying out a bleed proceedure.
You want to see a pressure of about 85bar approx. (100bar max @ full load)
Poor vanos response will make the engine run rough, and have poorer than normal throttle response. This might be why you can feel a vibration and the engine note has changed.
Where are you based???
22 September 2010, 08:57 PM
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Hmm, not so sure about this - but then I'm liking very few new cars at the moment. The back looks ok, but the front looks dull.
Everything has gone so big and wide it just looks stupid. A5 is the only thing which is really wide, but still looks good - however they've got to have the 19" wheels.
Everything has gone so big and wide it just looks stupid. A5 is the only thing which is really wide, but still looks good - however they've got to have the 19" wheels.
26 September 2010, 07:19 PM
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Need to clear a few things up first.....
How did he bleed the vanos units mate? and how did he check the pressure??
What form or diagnosis tool is he using??
Don't forget, dealers are as only as good as the guys turning the spanners.
If they are employing monkeys, you'll get poor results.
The M5 has an inherrant design flaw in the vanos oil system, in the supply high pressure line, from the vanos oil pump to the distribution t piece up near the vanos units. (the line cracks and loses pressure, as it's inside the timing case you won't see any oil leaks)
You need to connect a pressure gauge to the t piece and monitor the line whilst carrying out a bleed proceedure.
You want to see a pressure of about 85bar approx. (100bar max @ full load)
Poor vanos response will make the engine run rough, and have poorer than normal throttle response. This might be why you can feel a vibration and the engine note has changed.
Where are you based???
How did he bleed the vanos units mate? and how did he check the pressure??
What form or diagnosis tool is he using??
Don't forget, dealers are as only as good as the guys turning the spanners.
If they are employing monkeys, you'll get poor results.
The M5 has an inherrant design flaw in the vanos oil system, in the supply high pressure line, from the vanos oil pump to the distribution t piece up near the vanos units. (the line cracks and loses pressure, as it's inside the timing case you won't see any oil leaks)
You need to connect a pressure gauge to the t piece and monitor the line whilst carrying out a bleed proceedure.
You want to see a pressure of about 85bar approx. (100bar max @ full load)
Poor vanos response will make the engine run rough, and have poorer than normal throttle response. This might be why you can feel a vibration and the engine note has changed.
Where are you based???
Very close to you mate!
If he has said he has bled and measured the pressure are you saying that he could have done it using a wrong method and got the wrong result?
Cheers
26 September 2010, 07:20 PM
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If he just read the pressure using his diagnostic machine then yes.
It HAS to be measured manually at the t piece which sits in between the vanos units.
It HAS to be measured manually at the t piece which sits in between the vanos units.
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