Exact same price I paid on the millers last year let us know how you get on with it:thumb:

ha! never even thought about shaking up oil until i seen this!

Hi Everyone,

I am reachable via facebook page as Steve says (It's linked to my phone so I get messages quicker).

I am a Subaru owner myself I currently own around 15 - 20 rare spec Limited Edition cars.
Our "promo" car was bought from a breaker 4 years ago. 122k miles history unknown and piston slap.

We decided to use it for track and therefore upgraded it on a budget.
We now run 315 bhp with same torque (Mapped by Simon and now Duncan)

Just before Simon passed away he mapped in our VF35 turbo. His response was, "I'm not saying its your oil but I'm amazed that the readings on my cans are the same as they were a year ago. Knowing how this car gets driven that's amazing" The car is now on 125k miles, still same engine and gearbox. We change the oil once a year. It was retired last year as we are building another car at around 500 bhp (as Steve Whitehorns). This project has fallen behind so the old girl will be out again this year;)
There are video's on you tube and also on face book.

Duncan Graham and Charlie (SRR) are also using my oil in their own cars. So you can always ask them as I'm sure you will get an unbiased review.

Feedback has been A1 from everyone that has used it. We are even supplying a company that build RIB's and they are trialling it with a military application.

It's used in time attack, 4x4 offroad racing, Gymkhana, Road cars, Trucks, etc etc.

As with most of you, I have tried many oils etc over the years. They do their job. However, this oil does what it says on the tin. I am still learning daily, I still get feedback daily and I believe in the product. Hopefully, over time, more people will feel the same way and agree with me that its a brilliant protector. It wont "mend" something that's already on its way out. But it does a fantastic job of lubricating.

I have a guy from Kent that has an Impreza, On a track day at Lydden his engine started knocking. He asked if I had anything for it. I said, all I have is oil Stabilizer which may help you get home. I saw him last weekend. 10,000 miles later still on the same engine and done another couple of track days. He said not bad for an engine that was condemned by my garage!
I'm not saying it's the Stabilizer, but he says it is :-)

I'm always happy to have a chat with anyone and talk Subaru's or basically anything mechanical (I also own a few yank motors :-) )

Top man:thumb: we need more approachable and down to earth guys like yourself that offer there services and advice will defo be in contact @ service time

At simlar prices to millers, it be very daft not to try.

So where is silverline oil manufactured.

I don't think 'shaking it up a bit' will make the bits that have separated from the compound magically reattatch correctly somehow :thumb:

If it settles and separates in the bottle, it will do exactly the same when in your engine. Then one of the little bits of goo might get carried around with the oil and block an oil modine and kill your engine :(

Think of the sun tan lotion that separates, you shake it up and it turns into a mixture that protects your skin. 10 mins later it will have settled in the bottle and turned back into separate compounds.

You can't shake the oil inside your engine everytime you use your car

Every time the car is running, the oil is constantly mixing.

It might 'mix', but it won't turn back into the consistent compound that it was manufactured into.

Every time your car is stood, the crud will settle in the sump.
When you are running the car it might mix in with the oil, but I wouldn't want lumps of crud being carried around my engine.

I like drinking beer (and anything that contains alcohol), but somehow I wouldn't enjoy eating malted barley, brewer's yeast and some hops. Then washing it down with a pint of water :thumb:

In a compound, as it should be, it's fine. But once separated it's not gonna work :lol1:

I think you would notice the lumps going in engine when filling it up with oil, and anyhow I doupt it would get through the spout and also a siv funnel I use to pour oil in.

I use this funnel with a sieve


https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.sco...8befb148b.jpeg

Just had a quick look for this on ECP site but its not there?

Snap :lol1: I've got same :thumb:

Was just a generic pic to show you's.

Loads on eBay, most funnels come with mesh but just check listing to confirm.

This https://www.ebay.co.uk/ulk/itm/311497069698

How many people use a sieve when filling oil?
Good on you if you do, but, if you do catch gloop in the sieve, that is part of the oil compound that won't be in your engine :eek:

You are missing the point, the oil is is a compound. If it has lumps of gloop in it, it's started breaking down/not the full compound to give full protection that it was designed to. It has started separating BEFORE you put it in your engine and use it for 5k miles :(

I'm not missing the point, that op thread is a 1 off or even made up? Who knows, I or anyone else have never seen this before so it's obviously a very rare incident, to write something off completely one 1 take is ridiculous, just like the other things in life, you get 1 bad story and it's written off but it was the holy grave before?

Folk will move onto something else before they find a bad thing about it later, and then be going round in circles till they find them selfs back in the beginning after they find worser with other (s).

This thread only makes you just be cautious when doing stuff, if anything it's educational.:thumb:

Was found in quite a few cans :) The point is it is incomplete, it's not less of something it's missing a component. :) The horrific snot blob was left in the can although potentially could have come out. Many people would have binned the can without even noticing they'd left a large engine killing coagulation behind. There is no point buying premium oil if you are willing to accept such quality issues. It's not a can of emulsion you can just shake up and carry on :)

Ah I see, I thought nobody else had this issue as never seen info on this before.

I actually have a tub of it left in my shed ready for next oil change so will make sure I check it thoroughly.

Hi

We sell a lot of Millers CFS (and their other oils too) and have not had a single person report this to us at all. Yes, I accept that if it's stuck to the inside of the can, it's not as likely to come out, but as it's in oil it's not likely to stick to the can.

Cheers

Tim

Hi Tim I've had my last millers 10/40 cfs off you that had the sludge in still have the invoice engine running fine no concerns as of yet and the sludge turned to liquidy grease hope all goes well but no problems as of yet I personally think the sludge shown on this thread must have been on the shelf for a lot longer than three years but the one I got off you turned to "liquid" :wonder:

Mitigate it however makes you feel better it is what it is, you pays your money you makes your choice :)

Your 190% correct there pal but if the cars running right with no issues and I'm still feeling sick in the gut wondering if I should take my sump off to check and change the oil i do have to convince myself it's not the sludge shown I wish I took a pic now as it dissolved soon as I touched it maybe my tub was on the shelf not so long as the one in the pics but worrying defo never had it before only on one occasion and then this thread comes up :eek:

Hi

What you've described sounds like a bit of additive dropout, which can happen with oil that has been sat around for a while (I'd be a bit surprised if it had suffered from dropout if it was relatively fresh from us as we have a high turnover of Millers).

The stuff in the facebook picture looks a lot more serious than a bit of additive dropout. Also the picture is of a new-label can of CFS, so that should mean it's relatively new stuff, meaning that it's unlikely that the additives would have settled that quickly.

Cheers

Tim

Would be nice to get Millers view on this problem.

I've asked, waiting on their reply.

I've been using Millers CFS 10w50 for over 20k in my forged build without a problem, I change it every 3 to 4k miles, never seen any gunk like that in it.

I've spoken to Millers technical department and they have said that the stuff that separated out of the oil was one of the esters used (1% of the total content) and since identifying the problem with that happening after the oil has been stored for longer periods, they have replaced it in the formula. They say that the 1% makes no difference to the overall performance of the product, but it is no longer an issue with their current oils.

Cheers

Tim

Great stuff so i wonder when they changed the formula.

Not having a pop at you Tim... but...

Standard old stock caveat :p presumably there's a recall on old oil formula stock then and a full liability fund set up for the globules that get picked up and make there way in to the pump :) Note to self, drive over cattle grid after being parked up for a few weeks to mix the esters up. fpmsl.

Tim - forgive me for appearing stupid, but if the offending ester additive made no overall difference to the oil's performance, why did Millers decide to add it in the first place? As a long term user of Millers, I'm now inclined to switch to something else.