lets torque bhp on the web. might be wrong mate. i love the car not slaging it down, was going to buy one last week till i took it out. just not that quick i only have a uk turbo but that was a faster drive. it just when people come on saying they got done by this and that. wrx is a good car just not that good. save my money for a year and get a nice sti or p1.

You cannot get a true 60-100mph figure by deducting 0-60mph from 0-100mph as they have done on 'lets torque'.

If you want figures Autocar test rolling acceleration (30-70mph from memory)

Bob

Indeed! The Scooby would be a match for the Cupra...there'd be very little -if anything- in it. If we're talking a chipped Cupra then it'd win, but if the WRX has PPP stalemate all over again! :) If its from a standing start though, the Scooby would win convincingly, a FWD car is just not going to beat a well launched 4wd drive car off the mark. The Seat Cupra R 225 requires 6.9 secs according to EVO. A scooby will do it comfortably under 6.

Of course, find a Classic with A decat and PPP and byeeeeee.....

Sorry, couldn't resist!! :)

NS04

I wouldn't say so mate. You are quoting 0-62 not 0-60!
The cupra R does 0-62 in 6.9 and 0-60 in 6.6! It also needs a change into 3rd to get there!

A new WRX unless launched brutally hard will only achieve around 6secs if lucky! Many scooby owners claim of their cars capability to do 0-60 in 4 secs but you only need to go upto santapod on a sunday to see the majority of scooby owners cant launch for sh*t.:p

Is a WRX PPP quicker than a standard sti? If not a chipped R will easily see off a wrx ppp!

Are you talking UK classic? Say bye to what? A standard cupra R, yes!

Chipped cupra R then i doubt it matey!

Each to their own!!

The facts:

Seat Leon R: 30-70mph = 6.0secs. 0-100mph = 18.0secs
Subaru Bugeye WRX = 30-70mph = 5.8secs. 0-100mph = 16.9secs
Subaru Bugeye STi = 30-70mph = 4.9secs. 0-100mph = 13.5secs
Subaru Classic UK = 30-70mph = 5.2secs. 0-100mph = 14.9secs
Subaru Classic STi4 = 30-70mph = 4.8secs. 0-100mph = 12.3secs

That gives you an idea of performance both from standing start or rolling start.


Bob


(Ref: AutoCar Jan 02/ Feb 04)

... just watch out for those rusty/rattly 205's ;)

A classic with decat and remap circa 265-270bhp would see off a Chipped Cupra. to say nothing of the traction advantage (which would mean that at road leagal speeds the contest would be over) it's some 150kg lighter.

NS04

Its pointless comparing modded cars.

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"Now show the Todd some love" :D

Your saying a scooby with 265bhp and probably in the region of 250lbft will see off a 275bhp 300lbft FWD car!:nono: Work out the transmission losses and at wheels figures and you'll see the scoob is way behind!

Unless you have actually owned a chipped LCR, i dont see how you've managed to come up with this conclusion:Whatever_

I had a UK classic with exactly the same mods producing approx 275 in the end! It wouldn't touch my cupra R on the move!

Your forgetting 1 thing! A chipped R has 240bhp@ wheels and 300lbft of torque!

The scooby equivelant is going to need in excess of 300hp to match those stats!

Typical scooby owners, cant admit defeat! Just remember what this thread is actually about eh lads;)

Bob....Stats i have are 6.6 and 17.0 0-60/0-100, which of course is nothing to shout about but its mid range is certainly stronger than a bugeye/blobeye WRX.

We all know scooby's are impressive and like sh*t off a stick 0-60 but get them on the move and they are nothing special at all!

I don't know if transmission losses are as much of a hinderance as you think they are Mitchy..
Take the P1 for instance, the 100-120 time is 6.5s, the same as an M5(old) and a R34 GTR(Top Gear Mag times), all this with an apparent 276bhp....

P1/Type R are a different kettle of fish when compared with bugeye/blobeye models!

my Cupra R
 

Its been chipped + i have made a few scoobies stop pull over and ask what im running lol wen theve been trying to push me or visa versa ..... also i noticed some of there brakes were crap smoking real bad luckily for me ive got brembo,s fitted so mine were ok..as some of yous on the better speced motor's

dont get me wrong i do like subaru,s and will hopefully ave a sti v5 or somthing along that line soonish..just saying dont underetstimate this R ...

Think you guys are getting a little bit worried about the wrong SEAT. Remember the Ibizas the Leon's 250kg lighter little brother comes with a 1.8T lum too, many of the basic ones are running 230Bhp and then a lot of the big turbo ones are pushing out 350bhp and onwards, so look out for these too

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...t_ibiza_01.jpg

A chipped Lcr will see off a Wrx with PPP. My old 235bhp Ibiza cupra setup would beat a wrx with ppp but it was pretty even with a chipped Lcr.

Proven..

Everybody's on about power loss through the transmission but I thought the BHP figures that people quoted were at the wheel anyway and not at the flywheel. Somebody correct me if I'm wrong.

You can bring your Chipped R with 240@wheels and 300lbft
and i will leave you for dust in my Sti type R Any day from 0-130(est running 330bhp,but@the flywheel)So according to your calculations you will beat me on the move as Scoobs are nothin special at all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

chipped this and chipped that.... :sleep:

the figures speak for themselves....


even the slowest of the production scoobs (bug wrx) is quicker than Seat Leons quickest factory cars. 30-70mph the slowest Scoob does it in 5.8secs and the quicker ones in 4.8secs. Compare that the Leons finest @ 6.0secs. And that is using figures from the weakest area of the Subaru (mid range, rolling).

Its not even worth mentioning standing starts, grip or twists. :hjtwofing

The Leons are v good FWD cars, and yes they would be comparable with the slowest scoobs from midrange...I wouldnt go as far as saying a LCR is quicker than the slowest of scoobs midrange though as the figures suggest otherwise.


Bob

You can bring your Sti type R and i will leave you for dust in my Seat Ibiza cupra any day from 0-130(est running 350bhp,but@the flywheel)So according to your calculations you will beat me on the move as Seat are nothing special at all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

edited to say

0-100mph i'll spank ya
0-130mph i'll spank ya
0-150mph i'll spank ya
0-170+ I'll spank ya

Any in gears I'll spank ya. You can have the 0-60mph thats for magazine reading chavs. Have you mentioned "The Wet" and "The Twistys" i aint sure but i bet its only a matter of time.

Also theres always someone quicker. Point made. Then Andy F could come in and say the same to me.

I've got 350bhp@fly so that may make for a closer comparison?

Possibly i would not be worried. But the point is there 2 diff cars for 2 diff kinds of terrain. Scoobs do there thing the Lcr's do theres. The scooby owners are argueing the fact that a Lcr wont beat a Wrx but the point is it has thats what the thread starter has said.

i'll have to watch out in my MY 03 STI with PPP if seat cupras can do 170mph+

Open eyes. Read stats.

Too many variables when comparing on roads. Tests are conducted in more controlled conditions.

Let me know when you're next at the strip and I'll see if I can make it. Then you can show me what a disadvantage transmission losses are ;)

The fact of the matter is a LCR could keep with the slowest of scoobs, whilst rolling.

Nah you wont, i cant see any IHI Ibiza's bothering with a Sti with PPP.

re: your edit. Only put myself forward for comparison so that you have a 350vs350bhp comparison.

Open Eyes, use the SEARCH

http://bbs.scoobynet.co.uk/showthrea...&highlight=lcr

comedian :cuckoo:

Sorry BOB i could not help myself. Point is its happened before as you can see from the link i put up. Its nothing new. I have said before Subaru need to move there basic spec cars upwards in power to move the gap out again. You dont hear of many Evo's having these encounters. It will happen with the 260's but the basic Evo's were always 270bhp, and nearer 300bhp on some rollers.