The RCZ-R seems to one of those FWD track slayers along with the bone shattering Meganes and the Cupra 280.

Has it set a Ring time yet?

yes there was, im not a hairdresser :thumb:

RCZ isn't for me, it's one of those cars you see in the wing mirror creeping up in the fast lane and you have a quick look to see the hot blonde in the drivers seat.

So its not just me then who does this, Usually new shape Mini and Fiat 500's are a good bet to see some hot totty!!!:Suspiciou

But you know she wont be looking back at the old fart in the merc ;)
Seriously though, the RCZR may not have the out of box power of the golf r/amg a45/bmw m135i but on the road where it counts, it is a faster point to point car than the above and more fun ;)

I'm no sure what your point is Tony it's FWD FFS! :p :D

They'd probably love it on Mumsnet Tony, flogging a dead horse here me thinks :D

Haven't seen this part of the forum this busy for years! All these fandango new hot motors have given it a new lease of life.

Sorry guys but Tonys car is a bit of a giant slayer on a track.

Its a bit of a giant slayer on the road also, this is why it should be given a shot and not over looked, forget 0-60 times, it will never compete with rwd or 4wd but its handling and composure on both the road and track.... not to be missed (it is Peugeot Sport's first attempt at this sort of thing, I think they have done pretty well but I would still like the Pikes Peak car or something similar for the road ;))

As for the Ring time, Peugeot have only ever said that the R is quicker around the ring in the wet than the 200 was in the dry :confused: otherwise no other official timing.

Tony:D

Needs a TG power lap time too; that is where the M135i kicked butt.
One lap time is identical, the other two favour the pug. But the Cupra 280 and Megane Sports also do very well.
I see the Pug is very low on torque showing how it doesn't really matter on a track.

Which suggests to me it's not as fast as it's rivals in class. Not that I give a **** about what time any car does around the ring.


Personally I just can't get past the brand...... in the UK it's nailed imo. I'd rather own a Skoda vRS. :D Seriously... I would.

I respect your knowledge of cars Tony, but still can,t believe, bearing in mind some of the cars you have owned, that you now have a Peugeot. Must admit they look good though. Dont you miss the power of your previous cars? Steve.:)

The RCZ R delivers its torque from 1900 rpm though ;) and it has a proper mechanical differential, 380mm Alcon 4 pots and is pretty much fully loaded (front parking sensors and the JBL radio are extras :rolleyes: )

Go try one Shaun, there are a couple of dealers with demonstrators but not that many as there are only 138 registered in the UK.

TBH Steve, I would say its quicker across country (wet or dry) than the Spec C was, that's how good it is, plus it has a fmic and the turbo is in the right place ;) and it only loses out on the 0-60, in gear or 60-100 there isnt much in it plus its not an aerodynamic brick as its drag coefficient is only 0.28 (and its only 1280kg).

Tony:)

Tony; my M135i delivers its 350ish lbs-ft from 1300rpm ;)

Of course one lap time is the same and the others are only fractionally quicker so it's hardly a slaying.

This is a massive piece of the jigsaw when building a quick b-road car, electronic assistance/pseudo LSDs are ultimately $hite (IMO) for making fast progress. But if you remove the electronic assistance completely then prepare for the wave of disappointment that comes crashing over you as you try to power out of a bend and the speedo goes ape$hit as the inside wheel simultaneously shreds itself... it's one of the reasons why I never went for an M135i about a year ago actually.

That's certainly not a cheap brake kit, so should give some idea about what the car is all about IMO... I've not driven one, but now I genuinely would like to see what it's like because of the comments you've made on this thread.


Cheers,
Grant

Having owned an M135i for a year, I don't find issues with out of corner blasting unless I'm really daft in the wet.

Lotus' and McClarens do fine without them but because the press say they "need" one, everyone else jumps on the bandwagon. You can fit one anyway; then get understeer...

I've driven the wheels off mine several times; it's lairy but handles brilliantly. Just like most correct wheel drive cars...

You don't need one.... but it depends on the car.

I couldn't give a toss if anyone is on my bandwagon or not. :lol1:

I guess it's all down to personal preference, your previous car(s) and what is/isn't enough for you really, I was coming from an E46 M3 which was a very sharp implement... I can understand why someone coming from something a little less focused may think that something like an M135i is quite a tool.

But when I drove an M135i, it was a really poor experience. Fast once going, no doubt about it, sounded good and well appointed inside too... It was not wet but a cold day and through a fairly tight section of corners with the DTC completely turned off; it was frustrating trying/waiting to get the power down. I drove an AUC E92 335i about 6 months after that when I was seriously looking to replace my M3 and it was almost a repeat performance. Driving my dad's E63 635d with DTC completely off is equally as frustrating.

The E91 335i which I eventually bought had a Quaife LSD and it made the world of difference on the road. Coming off roundabouts, tight corners, wet junctions, none of them were an issue. I certainly didn't experience any understeer because of the LSD; and I pushed that car pretty hard round Knockhill.


Cheers,
Grant

The tyres definitely do not like cold conditions; far less than wet roads.
Once warmed up, they are very effective.
I suspect you drove on cold tyres.
Thanks for the little patronising dig there but sadly for you, I've driven many miles in some pretty "sharp" tools; far more so than an E46 M3 which, while competent, is outclassed by many smaller, lighter proper sports cars. Only the CSL is light enough to be called sharp but that's way too firm for daily use.

It the M135i was as you describe it, it wouldn't score the giant slaying lap times (including an E46 M3 thrashing) it does would it?

A 335i even with an LSD gets sh4t on from a great height by an M135i; or are you just trying to justify it?

Thought so.

Genuinely LOL'ing at that reply princess... you are precious aren't you. :lol1:

My slightly sarcastic dig at your previous cars was in response to your suggestion that I was in some way retarded enough to jump on a press-fed bandwagon about mechanical differentials. :cuckoo:

However for the record, in my opinion, driving a car belonging to someone else and driving a car which you own yourself is a completely different thing; I would never try and drive a car which I had been loaned or borrowed as hard as a car which I owned myself.

You are obviously 'into' times and you're correct, the times don't lie. Quite surprising what manufacturers can do with 10+ years of research and development isn't it?! :Whatever_:lol1:

I'm afraid that lap times don't make me wet though, the feel/sensation of a car does. I have had as much fun in my Integra Type R as I did in my Impreza spec.D despite the Subaru being faster round a track... the sensation of the Integra was great, in the same way the sensation of the E46 M3 was great but the experience in the M135i/635d/E92 335i frustrated me. The E91 actually frustrated me on other levels, $hit build quality for one, so it's now off to pastures new.

As far as trying hard to justify my choice in car or spec, I find that quote really funny coming from someone who mentions their M135i in the majority of threads they comment on in OM. :lol1:


Cheers,
Grant

Well sorry to upset you but I happen to think my car is brilliant; a hoon to Germany really showed how good it was. Most others agree.
I enjoyed my far less focused E91 too but this car is way, way more fun.

I must apologise for daring to like the motors I saved hard for and enjoy.

No apology necessary, of course you think your car is brilliant and there is nothing wrong with that at all. Like I said before, we're all individuals so different things will float different boats... it would be a boring old place if that wasn't the case!! :thumb:


Cheers,
Grant

Fair reply.
Truce.

I'm going to see if I can get a test drive in a M135i today. Considerably cheaper than the A45 AMG (if I bought a M it would be 2nd hand as there are shedloads around at the dealers), and apparently it's the nuts. It will need to go some to beat the all round "experience" I had with the AMG..... I think it will fall drastically short. Maybe I'll be surprised.

The M135i appears on paper to be the sensible choice with well spec'd, low mileage ones coming in at £26k. However, I'm not sure the whole "sensible choice" thing is turning me on too much. :D

I took the Scoob out of the garage yesterday. Cleaned it and gave it a blast for a couple of hours. Whilst it feels agricultural, **** me it's fun and it's extremely quick. Costs me virtually nothing to run and owes me sod all. I'll have to remind myself why I'm even considering in doing all of this!

Try and use Sport+ and put the box in Sport too (flick the lever left); then it really comes alive. If you manage to rev through the gears, I guarantee you'll be impressed; the steering feels over light at low speeds but firms up as you go faster.

I actually preferred the M135i it has a much broader band of power and sounds nicer IMHO. I found the delivery in the A45 very old Skool, not a lot below 4k and then all mental upto 6k. I also hit the limiter a couple times(useless driver):lol1:as I am so used to having the 8k in my spec c.

The A45 is as you say definitely more of a "experience", with its bucket seats, areo kit etc, but a high spec one is £10-£15k more than the M135i.

I like you already ;)

Thinking of replacing our 9.5 year old WRX PPP with an R: any more opinions from anyone?

Unless it's a highly modded car you already own, the Golf will eat it alive especially in the mid range. And in more comfort, with better fuel economy.

The big difference is obviously the cost of the car, if it's worth it I'd seriously consider making the switch.

Do it, you only live once, I'd not sell the WRX straight away though.:lol1: