Originally Posted by Martin2005
(Post 11942132)
Wise words
The problem is their belief is as unshakeable as yours, their sense of purpose is as strong as yours, and their sense of righteousness is as strong as yours. Could you be persuaded to change your beliefs? btw - I'm only making an equivolence in terms of belief, not deeds obviously Could I be persuaded to change my beliefs? Yes. And I have in the past. For the last six years however, I've remained convinced that the teachings of Jesus of Nazareth are perfect. Study the men and their books. |
Originally Posted by JTaylor
(Post 11942139)
A Salafist Jihadi (what the media would term an extremists or a radical) will fire molten shrapnel in to the head of an eight year girl armed with nothing more than a smile and a pink balloon. A radical Christian will not only seek to forgive this act, but to love the perpetrator also. A radical Muslim and a radical Christian are opposed 180°.
Could I be persuaded to change my beliefs? Yes. And I have in the past. For the last six years however, I've remained convinced that the teachings of Jesus of Nazareth are perfect. Study the men and their books. |
Originally Posted by ditchmyster
(Post 11942138)
At last someone with a brain that uses it for thinking instead of creating hot air.
I don't usually reply to you because I'm trying not to get drawn into anymore slanging matches as it does nothing for the site. But yes these are the issues we need to be addressing... not doing the usual knee jerk response... which ultimately makes us no better than them. Pouring more fuel onto the fire isn't going to help solve any of this... we need to step back and let them get on with whatever it is they are doing in their own countries... we wouldn't stand by and except an invading force so I don't see why we seem to think they should... the more of them we kill the more potential terroists we create... simples. The problem is that it's anything but simple. Standing on the sidelines whilst hundreds of thousands are killed millions of people are turned in refugees, isn't a simple choice, it's a bloody difficult one, it's an immoral one and it creates just as many issues. |
Originally Posted by Martin2005
(Post 11942144)
The problem is that it's anything but simple.
Standing on the sidelines whilst hundreds of thousands are killed millions of people are turned in refugees, isn't a simple choice, it's a bloody difficult one, it's an immoral one and it creates just as many issues. |
Originally Posted by JTaylor
(Post 11942147)
My pastor's just waded in and says that boots on the ground should be deployed where possible and as a humanitarian aid in the face of genocide and other atrocities. I think this, where the 'enemy' is 'radical' Islam, is folly. Again, anyone who's really studied the man Mohammad and his book will understand why. It has and always will be viewed as an invasion and spun to recruit more jihadis.
Yeah I guess we can look the other way whilst innocents are slaughtered, then forgive the perpetrators afterwards |
Originally Posted by Martin2005
(Post 11942144)
The problem is that it's anything but simple.
Standing on the sidelines whilst hundreds of thousands are killed millions of people are turned in refugees, isn't a simple choice, it's a bloody difficult one, it's an immoral one and it creates just as many issues. We also need to ask ourselves why so many are being killed and so many are being turned into refugees. What started that? Are we locked in a viscious circle where not standing back just makes it 100 times worse? We also need to stop believing all the propoganda. And look behind the picture that is portrayed to us by our "esteemed" leaders to justify their own wholy immoral actions http://www.globalresearch.ca/libya-t...o-know/5414289 |
Originally Posted by Martin2005
(Post 11942148)
Yeah I guess we can look the other way whilst innocents are slaughtered, then forgive the perpetrators afterwards
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Originally Posted by neil-h
(Post 11942061)
So being pissed off is your excuse for using the deaths of 22 people (mostly kids) as an excuse to go and bang your drum. Right, that makes it so much better.
I don't think you quite realise the dangers we face if we don't start acting towards a solution. How many more will turn to the right and be indoctrinated until we start seeing revenge attacks of a similar scale?. Peace, love, unity and 'oh your opinion doesn't matter' is just as ignorant as those that claim 'all Muslims are bad' or 'deport them all'. The fact you can't see it just makes you that little more deluded than they are. |
Originally Posted by Kwik
(Post 11942155)
Whereas a lot of people bang their drum about people banging their drum. The fact you and others tend to disregard any differing opinion as nonsensical is as bigoted and stereotypical as any racist. Add to that the hypocrisy of saying people use events like these to their own means you use events like this to make out somehow your opinion is somehow more valid than someone else's.
I don't think you quite realise the dangers we face if we don't start acting towards a solution. How many more will turn to the right and be indoctrinated until we start seeing revenge attacks of a similar scale?. Peace, love, unity and 'oh your opinion doesn't matter' is just as ignorant as those that claim 'all Muslims are bad' or 'deport them all'. The fact you can't see it just makes you that little more deluded than they are. |
Originally Posted by neil-h
(Post 11942106)
So you want to lock people up because they might commit a crime? Awesome.
I know this all a bit emotive because it's involves terrorists and kids but lets try and atleast be basically rational. |
Originally Posted by JTaylor
(Post 11942156)
What's the solution, Kwik?
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Originally Posted by Kwik
(Post 11942157)
Have you downloaded instructions on how to make a bomb? If not, why not?
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Originally Posted by neil-h
(Post 11942159)
Because I don't need to.
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Originally Posted by Kwik
(Post 11942162)
Why not?.
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Originally Posted by neil-h
(Post 11942165)
The rest of my post answers that quetsion... :thumb:
Would you agree anyone who downloads instructions on how to build a bomb should be in prison?. |
Originally Posted by JTaylor
(Post 11942156)
What's the solution, Kwik?
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None knows how to deal with this Isis lunatic Muslims
But I agree the uk need to do something |
Originally Posted by RAGGY DOO
(Post 11942183)
None knows how to deal with this Isis lunatic Muslims
But I agree the uk need to do something |
I'd deport any hate preaching scumbag
I'd deport any criminal non national and close the borders off Now with brexit need visa to enter the uk That would be a good start |
Originally Posted by RAGGY DOO
(Post 11942187)
I'd deport any hate preaching scumbag
I'd deport any criminal non national and close the borders off Now with brexit need visa to enter the uk That would be a good start |
Originally Posted by JTaylor
(Post 11942185)
What?
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Originally Posted by Martin2005
(Post 11942192)
You know... the 'solution', can't believe they haven't done it already😀
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Originally Posted by JTaylor
(Post 11942188)
And in what way would any of these measures have prevented Manchester?
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Originally Posted by JTaylor
(Post 11941733)
Poor taste to use this thread as a political sounding board, men.
Hypocrite. |
Originally Posted by Kwik
(Post 11942181)
I'll ask the question directly then as you're obviously aware of where I was leading and you're trying to wriggle out of it.
Would you agree anyone who downloads instructions on how to build a bomb should be in prison?. |
Originally Posted by Kwik
(Post 11942201)
The solution would have been not to offer asylum to Libyans seeking refuge. It doesn't help now but it puts into perspective our open door policy for 25 years time.
OK but that's not really a solution is it? btw - contrary to popular belief we don't have an open door policy for refugees. In fact our record on asylum is pretty crumby compared to most developed counties |
Originally Posted by Martin2005
(Post 11942207)
OK but that's not really a solution is it?
btw - contrary to popular belief we don't have an open door policy for refugees. In fact our record on asylum is pretty crumby compared to most developed counties You eluded to 'you're more likely to get run over' or something. Should we have accepted in the past that people would get run over or do you think adding safety measures, stricter driving standards, road markings, crossings etc are put in place to prevent death as much as possible. Lets apply the same logic to terrorism, rather than just shrugging our shoulders. Feel free to offer your own solutions. |
Originally Posted by Kwik
(Post 11942214)
It is a solution if you don't want the chance of 22 children being killed in a similar way in 25 years.
You eluded to 'you're more likely to get run over' or something. Should we have accepted in the past that people would get run over or do you think adding safety measures, stricter driving standards, road markings, crossings etc are put in place to prevent death as much as possible. Lets apply the same logic to terrorism, rather than just shrugging our shoulders. Feel free to offer your own solutions. You seem to be advocating the equivalent of banning crossing the road, or maybe roads themselves. Seriously why do all your 'solutions' end up looking just like collective punishment? Not once have you bothered to mention the fact that virtually all refugees are people in desperate need, not terrorist. What about them? What's your solution for them, once you cut off their hope of coming here? |
Originally Posted by Martin2005
(Post 11942217)
You seem to be advocating the equivalent of banning crossing the road, or maybe roads themselves.
Seriously why do all your 'solutions' end up looking just like collective punishment? Not once have you bothered to mention the fact that virtually all refugees are people in desperate need, not terrorist. What about them? What's your solution for them, once you cut off their hope of coming here? I believe we should hold a national survey on immigration. Those that choose to vote yes to immigration from non EU countries are agreeing to house a refugee in their own home. The figures would be 99-1. And women and children only, no man of fighting age should abandon their country. If say 25,000 vote yes we take in 25,000 women and children. In 5 years we repeat the process, that will be significantly less than 25,000. Those like yourself that preach about refugees will quickly change their opinion once the responsibility is theirs and not everyone else's. |
Originally Posted by neil-h
(Post 11942106)
So you want to lock people up because they might commit a crime? Awesome.
I know this all a bit emotive because it's involves terrorists and kids but lets try and atleast be basically rational. |
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