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toneh 12 January 2013 05:50 PM


Originally Posted by jayallen (Post 10942508)
I'm surprised it didn't make more even at 17psi....

He was saying its the rate it dropped off ( how It is in the map )

Maybe I did back it off too much , but don't forget things like I don't use a w/b to map and Its all pretty new , so I think it's sensible to have a good run and use it more of a logging / trial run
Rather than trying to be a s/ net hero

mickywrx 12 January 2013 07:57 PM


Originally Posted by toneh (Post 10942434)
Lol nah , it was pretty un eventful
In the end I bobbed out and mapped my boost down , thinking that I'd be better having a sensible run rather than trying to push it
I'll list the reasons when the flack starts lol

So the amazing figure was ,,,,, 260,,,,

And the winner is

Pussy!!

Mine's 70bhp more, at less boost, and mines been mapped by no one. :D

toneh 12 January 2013 08:03 PM


Originally Posted by mickywrx (Post 10942735)
Pussy!!

Mine's 70bhp more, at less boost, and mines been mapped by no one. :D

Well done ;)

Btw my classic was 50 more and mapped by no one

mickywrx 12 January 2013 08:24 PM


Originally Posted by toneh (Post 10942747)
mapped by no one

There's your answer then. ;) :p

toneh 12 January 2013 08:25 PM


Originally Posted by mickywrx (Post 10942783)
There's your answer then. ;) :p

Explain ?

bustaMOVEs 12 January 2013 08:46 PM

I can see that tin opening and the worms crawling out ;)

toneh 12 January 2013 09:10 PM


Originally Posted by bustaMOVEs (Post 10942824)
I can see that tin opening and the worms crawling out ;)

I've played it safe , with hindsight too safe
It's gonna seem like I have a problem or summats wrong
It's not ,it's just I ran lower peak boost than before and dropping it off too quick and too low

But now I know I can go more and I know I can use my methods of fuel monitoring and not be paranoid that I might be rich or lean ( which paranoia incidently comes from advice on here)

Yes power was lower than I would like , but my cars safe , still in one piece , still mapped by me
And lives to fight another day ( no doubt with more power )

So regardless of comments on here about low power ect , so be it , but I'll carry on as I have , building up , learning , until I get to where I want to be

CharlySkunkWeed 12 January 2013 09:21 PM

Booooooo ! This comp is void !

Safe boost ? That wasnt in the terms and conditions !

All guesses still count for the next run when you grow a pair :)

The Pink Ninja 12 January 2013 09:23 PM

As you say tone you live and learn, Just getting into all the logging myself and it dont come quickly to fully understand it, So were your AFR`s were all good in the end or was the power figure due to being a little rich or just boost levels?

PS, My guess is now void as you were running less boost than you said :lol1:

toneh 12 January 2013 09:27 PM


Originally Posted by CharlySkunkWeed (Post 10942877)
Booooooo ! This comp is void !

Safe boost ? That wasnt in the terms and conditions !

All guesses still count for the next run when you grow a pair :)

Sorry mate , but I'm not going to risk it
I wasn't fully confidant that it would be a smooth run , fueling , timing ect
But now I know
After all I think it would be a lot worse reporting back that either ( a ) it's blown up or ( b) run was aborted through running issues

It's gonna be back up there soon ;)

bustaMOVEs 12 January 2013 09:32 PM


Originally Posted by bustaMOVEs (Post 10942824)
I can see that tin opening and the worms crawling out ;)


Originally Posted by toneh (Post 10942747)
Well done ;)

Btw my classic was 50 more and mapped by no one

My comment was based on this tony, not your car/map
Or maybe you don't need to map cars, just mod em :D

toneh 12 January 2013 09:36 PM


Originally Posted by GAZ2293 (Post 10942879)
As you say tone you live and learn, Just getting into all the logging myself and it dont come quickly to fully understand it, So were your AFR`s were all good in the end or was the power figure due to being a little rich or just boost levels?

PS, My guess is now void as you were running less boost than you said :lol1:

Yes mate the afrs were good , low 11s exactly what my logs and fuel tables say
Idle is not perfect and the suspect is because I run my O2 post turbo , but is not an issue and has no effect on the run

Last night I had spiking to 24 /25 psi ( too much )most probably a combination of the weather and my map
So this morning I pulled it all back , too far
17 @4000 dropping quickly after finishing at 8/9 towards redline ( yes to low too quick )
Tbh it was a bit of a panic situation and would rather run low than have a cutting car on the day

No other issues to hold it back other than boost settings

CharlySkunkWeed 12 January 2013 09:38 PM


Originally Posted by toneh (Post 10942888)
After all I think it would be a lot worse reporting back that either ( a ) it's blown up or ( b) run was aborted through running issues


Oh i dont know , i think there is more than a few on here that were looking forward to it. :thumb:

toneh 12 January 2013 09:45 PM


Originally Posted by CharlySkunkWeed (Post 10942915)
Oh i dont know , i think there is more than a few on here that were looking forward to it. :thumb:

Lol I know that mate , would have made a lot of folks day

It'll get there , safely , then I won't have to put up with the constant
" anyone can map a car "but " how do you know it won't blow up "

ditchmyster 13 January 2013 08:45 AM

Well i'm gutted mate, my seat of the pants dyno put you in the early 3's and that was about 6 months ago before your more recent mods.

I have a different take on it than most, which is just like yours, you HAVE mapped it and it's not blown up, which to be fair is what all the nay sayers expected, so thats a major victory in my eyes.

I don't think there is a mapper in the country that would have pushed your car if they saw similar issues, in fact i'm pretty sure they would have done the same.

At the end of the day this modding and mapping mallarkey is not an exact science and each car is different, add to the fray weather conditions on the day and your boost spike problems as mentioned and i think you did the right thing.

No sense trying to be a hero and ending up a zero and laughing stock of snet.

All the great generals in history became so by knowing when to fight and when to retreat, no sense in going to battle when the odds are stacked against you, he who fights and runs away, lives to fight another day.;)

I'm sure it will all come good for you, and if not i'll be back to give you some pointers on engine building at easter, so don't blow it up before then.:lol1:

addi monster 13 January 2013 08:53 AM


Originally Posted by toneh (Post 10942434)
Lol nah , it was pretty un eventful
In the end I bobbed out and mapped my boost down , thinking that I'd be better having a sensible run rather than trying to push it
I'll list the reasons when the flack starts lol

So the amazing figure was ,,,,, 260,,,,

And the winner is

Did i win then ?

toneh 13 January 2013 09:15 AM


Originally Posted by ditchmyster (Post 10943170)
Well i'm gutted mate, my seat of the pants dyno put you in the early 3's and that was about 6 months ago before your more recent mods.

I have a different take on it than most, which is just like yours, you HAVE mapped it and it's not blown up, which to be fair is what all the nay sayers expected, so thats a major victory in my eyes.

I don't think there is a mapper in the country that would have pushed your car if they saw similar issues, in fact i'm pretty sure they would have done the same.

At the end of the day this modding and mapping mallarkey is not an exact science and each car is different, add to the fray weather conditions on the day and your boost spike problems as mentioned and i think you did the right thing.

No sense trying to be a hero and ending up a zero and laughing stock of snet.

All the great generals in history became so by knowing when to fight and when to retreat, no sense in going to battle when the odds are stacked against you, he who fights and runs away, lives to fight another day.;)

I'm sure it will all come good for you, and if not i'll be back to give you some pointers on engine building at easter, so don't blow it up before then.:lol1:

Cheers mate , it may look poor , but I made a bit of a quick decision to pull it back , yeah without a doubt it has run a lot more power , and I know the power is still there and how to get it
Had I gone with it as it was I might have run the risk of worse than being down on power , a risk that wasn't worth it
And consider the map I did before the clinic run was literally a 10 Minit fix so I could get a clean run with little issues
I've not had the experience of mapping for 0 degree temps & this is were another aspect I have to learn
Hell there's no shame in a complete novice pulling his car back to make it safe when you've got doubts
I knew without a doubt I would be down as soon as I had done it , but I did and whizzed straight up to the clinic and did a run

Now putting it in perspective and I mean no disrespect to the owner or car at all ( its a nice car )
But there was an Sti on the rollers before mine ( pretty stock )
That made 288 , now that car cost probably 2 or three times more than mine
Mine was mapped in ten minits and made 260 and is gonna cost me nothing at all to get to 288
It's all well and good saying "mines 340 " or that figures low , but folk lose perspective of the equipment I have , the budget I am doing it on and my limited experience
So I'm happy and like its been said , still safe and live to run again ;)

toneh 13 January 2013 09:16 AM


Originally Posted by addi monster (Post 10943172)
Did i win then ?

Yes mate , pm me you're address and you can have you're coco lol

addi monster 13 January 2013 09:23 AM


Originally Posted by toneh (Post 10943188)
Yes mate , pm me you're address and you can have you're coco lol

I hope it will be warm when it arrives lol

toneh 13 January 2013 09:27 AM


Originally Posted by addi monster (Post 10943195)
I hope it will be warm when it arrives lol

Sorry I can't promise that mate ;)

mickywrx 13 January 2013 10:06 AM


Originally Posted by toneh (Post 10942747)
Btw my classic was 50 more and mapped by no one


Originally Posted by mickywrx (Post 10942783)
There's your answer then. ;) :p

Quoting fail on my part, yesterday.

I'm just pulling your leg though Tony, which I hope you realised. :)

toneh 13 January 2013 10:22 AM


Originally Posted by mickywrx (Post 10943225)
Quoting fail on my part, yesterday.

I'm just pulling your leg though Tony, which I hope you realised. :)

Lol , it makes little difference if it was leg pulling or a serious comment
Nothing will deter me from doing what I'm doing , I've had many negative comments , but As is usually the case I'm taking 2 steps forward 1 step back

I have given myself a target of a year to get to a level were I'm confidant and should be getting good safe results , I'm gettin there I reckon

CharlySkunkWeed 13 January 2013 10:46 AM


Originally Posted by toneh (Post 10925932)
I've been running mine today testing in third , my box is on its way out
Anyway , but not gone yet , maybe I'm only putting out 250 !!!!

Here u go.

toneh 13 January 2013 12:16 PM


Originally Posted by CharlySkunkWeed (Post 10943279)
Here u go.

Tbh mate I can't see what the point of quoting that

At that point I was hitting 20psi peak dropping to around 14/16 at redline
Now I'm no rocket scientist but I would have a good guess that it would have run more than 260 if I had run at that boost level as opposed to 17 dropping quickly to around 8/9

It's only because on a couple of runs the night previous I was getting spikes to around 25 that I decided to pull it all back

Yes I'm aware the correct thing would be to address the spike issue and not just pull the boost back but I literally had 10 minits ( and I still got to the clinic later than I would have liked)

CharlySkunkWeed 13 January 2013 12:38 PM

Just saying you win a mug ! You guesed the closest .

No need to be on the defensive ;)

toneh 13 January 2013 12:41 PM


Originally Posted by CharlySkunkWeed (Post 10943411)
Just saying you win a mug ! You guesed the closest .

No need to be on the defensive ;)

I see
Should have pointed it out mate ;)

addi monster 13 January 2013 12:44 PM

Post up your graph toneh, lets see ya curves baby lol

toneh 13 January 2013 12:48 PM


Originally Posted by addi monster (Post 10943418)
Post up your graph toneh, lets see ya curves baby lol

I'll do it later mate ( out at mo )
They nowt good , just peaks up at around 4k and drops straight off to next to nowt

Tidgy 13 January 2013 03:22 PM

was some good banter up at clinic yesterday :D was good to meet you can chat tony

its running safe, thats what was important and what my concern was with the whole thing. Just need to figure out whats causing boost to flutter when higher and if you wanna push it any more with that much miles.

toneh 13 January 2013 03:46 PM


Originally Posted by Tidgy (Post 10943583)
was some good banter up at clinic yesterday :D was good to meet you can chat tony

its running safe, thats what was important and what my concern was with the whole thing. Just need to figure out whats causing boost to flutter when higher and if you wanna push it any more with that much miles.

Like wise mate
Well I've been back on it again today and got it to peak at 19 and dropping to 12 at redline , no cut or spikes all good ,gonna run with that and see how it goes and then maybe start to tweak it up a little in the higher rev range ;)
Oh and enabled my anti lag lol ( not the best thing to run for longevity ) especially when you don't really need it , but it is fun and I love the sound lol


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