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Originally Posted by 94impreza
(Post 11111771)
If we know x% of Asian males prey on young English white girls, and we allow Asian males into the country, then we are knowingly allowing paedophiles into the country. In the same respect if Romanians are responsible for the majority of bank/credit card fraud and we still allow Romanian immigrants into the country, we're likely to see a rise in the same crime. Common sense, not racism.
I'm not jumping to conclusions. If you were closer to Romanians/Bulgarians etc then you wouldn't make statements about them making money for the UK, you'd know they take their money home. Nobody said "just the immigrants", but if there were no immigrants, or the population was growing at a slower rate then it's common sense there wouldn't be as much of a strain on resources. If you actually spoke to the many races you apparently know, you'd know they quite freely tell anyone who will listen how easy it is to come to the UK, make money and take it home. They aren't grateful, they see us as mugs. So we should ignore the fact immigrants do commit crimes. When they are caught, and they go to our prisons, who pays for them to be there? You've provided no solutions, facts or figures to support your argument. I think the basis of your argument is that you quite like your neighbour. Is it hypothetical to assume x% of Romanian immigrants will get involved with ATM crimes, or has it been proven that is the case?. Is it so hard for you to get your head around the fact if more Romanians migrate here, its likely ATM crime will rise?. Your idea of life in the modern UK seems to be very idealistic. Then surely we the UK also have a responsibility to stop all UK citizens from leaving this country in case a minority will commit a crime whilst abroad. |
Impreza you are talking sh1t and getting nowhere, off topic too, just give it a rest as you sound like a ......??
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-22793664
Another day, another gang. I've lost count of how many of these I've been able to post. Of course the races of the perpetrators is coincidental to all previous cases and in no way points to there being an issue with certain communities living in the UK today. I wonder how many such occurrences have to occur before certain groups sit up and notice. |
Originally Posted by 94impreza
(Post 11111771)
If we know x% of Asian males prey on young English white girls, and we allow Asian males into the country, then we are knowingly allowing paedophiles into the country. In the same respect if Romanians are responsible for the majority of bank/credit card fraud and we still allow Romanian immigrants into the country, we're likely to see a rise in the same crime. Common sense, not racism.
Originally Posted by 94impreza
(Post 11111771)
I'm not jumping to conclusions. If you were closer to Romanians/Bulgarians etc then you wouldn't make statements about them making money for the UK, you'd know they take their money home.
Originally Posted by 94impreza
(Post 11111771)
Nobody said "just the immigrants", but if there were no immigrants, or the population was growing at a slower rate then it's common sense there wouldn't be as much of a strain on resources.
Originally Posted by 94impreza
(Post 11111771)
If you actually spoke to the many races you apparently know, you'd know they quite freely tell anyone who will listen how easy it is to come to the UK, make money and take it home. They aren't grateful, they see us as mugs.
Originally Posted by 94impreza
(Post 11111771)
So we should ignore the fact immigrants do commit crimes. When they are caught, and they go to our prisons, who pays for them to be there?
Originally Posted by 94impreza
(Post 11111771)
You've provided no solutions, facts or figures to support your argument. I think the basis of your argument is that you quite like your neighbour.
Originally Posted by 94impreza
(Post 11111771)
Is it hypothetical to assume x% of Romanian immigrants will get involved with ATM crimes, or has it been proven that is the case?. Is it so hard for you to get your head around the fact if more Romanians migrate here, its likely ATM crime will rise?.
Your idea of life in the modern UK seems to be very idealistic. I think we will just have to agree to disagree. You obviosuly think all the problems in the UK can be fixed by stopping immigration whereas I think you couldn't be more wrong. Anyway I have to go and see a client of mine... ah he's Jewish and his descendents came here after the war.... he runs a recruitment firm which employs over 30 people ... bloody immigrants taking out of the system all the time ;) |
Originally Posted by ReallyReallyGoodMeat
(Post 11111876)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-22793664
Another day, another gang. I've lost count of how many of these I've been able to post.
Originally Posted by ReallyReallyGoodMeat
(Post 11111876)
Of course the races of the perpetrators is coincidental to all previous cases and in no way points to there being an issue with certain communities living in the UK today. I wonder how many such occurrences have to occur before certain groups sit up and notice.
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Originally Posted by ReallyReallyGoodMeat
(Post 11111817)
So, in order to provide evidence to the contrary, the one example you find has 'Ijaz Ahmed'
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You can't fix it until it is acknowledged by all groups to be a cultural problem.
If that hypothetically happened, we need to racially profile and educate these guys before they commit such crimes that women cannot be treated like objects and slaves as they are in some cultures, and make their communities more proactive in speaking out to the authorities. |
Originally Posted by ReallyReallyGoodMeat
(Post 11111904)
You can't fix it until it is acknowledged by all groups to be a cultural problem.
If that hypothetically happened, we need to racially profile and educate these guys before they commit such crimes that women cannot be treated like objects and slaves as they are in some cultures, and make their communities more proactive in speaking out to the authorities. |
I'm not so sure it's paedophilia in the Jimmy Savile sense of the word, my gut feeling is that they think this is how women / girls can be treated - a lot of these guys come from cultures where in certain parts it is perfectly acceptable for 40 year old men to marry 13 year old girls, or kill their daughters if they cause 'disrespect'.
If this is the case, I think this can be educated out of them yes. Once it's been accepted to be a cultural issue. |
Originally Posted by ReallyReallyGoodMeat
(Post 11111876)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-22793664
Another day, another gang. I've lost count of how many of these I've been able to post. Of course the races of the perpetrators is coincidental to all previous cases and in no way points to there being an issue with certain communities living in the UK today. I wonder how many such occurrences have to occur before certain groups sit up and notice. |
Originally Posted by Shaid
(Post 11111928)
So you are under the impression that I know about who is upto this peado / grooming stuff and I should tell the authorities of them? Is that right?
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Originally Posted by ReallyReallyGoodMeat
(Post 11111949)
I have no idea who you are.
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Originally Posted by f1_fan
(Post 11111884)
We know x% of white people born here grow up to be murderers and rapists and paedophiles so we are knowingly allowing murderers and rapists to be bred in the UK, best stop that now then. That is your argument... and it's very close to those of a group you were using as an example earlier
Originally Posted by f1_fan
(Post 11111884)
If you didn't believe what you read in the press you'd know not all of them do. At the end ofthe day all official figures no matter which body collated them shows immigration brings a net financial gain to the UK.
Originally Posted by f1_fan
(Post 11111884)
You are however continually demonising the immirgants whilst appearing to not consider any issues caused by the native population. It feels like the subtext is you feel if you are white and born here then you have more of a 'right' to commit crimes etc.
Originally Posted by f1_fan
(Post 11111884)
Again stop believing everything you read in the press. I am sure a minority of them are like that, but most of them are not, they are just living in the UK and paying into the system like everyone else.
Originally Posted by f1_fan
(Post 11111884)
No, but equally we shouldn't ignore the fact that a massively larger number don't commit crimes and some natvies do. Stop making soemthing that isn't an immigrant issue in to one!
Originally Posted by f1_fan
(Post 11111884)
I have pointed out to you that immigrants provide a net gain for the economy, I have illustrated what immigration has brought to the UK in terms of culture, skills, ideas, entrepreneurs, people willing to work in the jobs we British don't seem to want etc. and I have desrcibed my experiences with those I have had close contact with in all parts of my life whereas your resposne to the same question is you work with a few and live in a town with some mosques... Well whoop-de-dooo doesn't that make you an expert? :lol1::lol1:
Originally Posted by f1_fan
(Post 11111884)
Even if what you claim is true is it so hard for you to understand that the other y% won't get involved and y% will be a lot greater than x%. What about the x% of your fine upstanding white British population that are scrounging off the benefit system.... should we tar all white British with the same brush... of course not, yet that is exactly what you are doing with the immigrants. Wht the f**k you cannot see it is quite strange!
Originally Posted by f1_fan
(Post 11111884)
I think we will just have to agree to disagree. You obviosuly think all the problems in the UK can be fixed by stopping immigration whereas I think you couldn't be more wrong.
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Originally Posted by f1_fan
(Post 11111884)
At the end ofthe day all official figures no matter which body collated them shows immigration brings a net financial gain to the UK. Cough |
Originally Posted by 94impreza
(Post 11112042)
Of course I don't think it will stop ALL problems. But it would take some strain off of our over stretched resources.
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Originally Posted by jonc
(Post 11112066)
What's next? Ethnic cleansing? |
Originally Posted by f1_fan
(Post 11111661)
You won't as the Asian community isn't stupid enough to let young Asian girls out on the streets at night :thumb:
White guys doing the raping in this one though: http://www.thisisderbyshire.co.uk/LU...#axzz2VNgz1bU9 |
Originally Posted by mrmadcap
(Post 11112071)
So you are saying that it's ok to rape white girls, as long as it's at night:cuckoo:
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Originally Posted by mrmadcap
(Post 11112071)
So you are saying that it's ok to rape white girls, as long as it's at night:cuckoo:
You can't argue with the facts, it's only white girls that are hanging around the streets at night and if they weren't they wouldn't get picked up by paedophiles. Before you say it I am not solely blaming society, but I do think we need to look at the bigger picture of why these people are able to prey on these girls in the first place. |
Originally Posted by Martin2005
(Post 11112064)
Cough Even if once again you have messed up the quote function!! |
Originally Posted by f1_fan
(Post 11112098)
Dull, but better than your usual input to threads these days I grant you :thumb:
Even if once again you have messed up the quote function!! |
Originally Posted by Martin2005
(Post 11112109)
Does your sudden conversion to quoting 'the official stats' mean that we can now have a sensible discussion on issues rather than your usual retort of, 'well if you believe the official figures you must be a ..........' ?
If you notice my statement referred to all official figures no matter which body they are collated by... so by official I mean figures actually collated by a recognised body using a scientific approach other than by someone like impreza94 reading teh Daily Mail. HTH :thumb: |
Originally Posted by f1_fan
(Post 11112138)
Not if your official figures are only those composed by the government no, as they are liars as has been proven time and time again!
HTH :thumb: |
Originally Posted by f1_fan
(Post 11111682)
Stop talking in riddles, what is wrong with it? By and large you will never see young Asian girls hanging around in takeaways or on street corners in the middle of the night! You say different?
Im not going to say different as I couldn't give a monkeys who's hanging around where. I don't take any notice. The way you wrote that statement suggests these girls are asking for it. Let's remember the girls involved are often ones that are vulnerable, i.e in care, (or lack of?) homeless or whatever. I also couldnt care less whether the spineless cowards involved are white, black, brown or yellow; the all need stringing up by the balls. Up until that point, I agreed with most of the points you made. Ben. |
Originally Posted by Truss
(Post 11112247)
Talking in riddles?
Im not going to say different as I couldn't give a monkeys who's hanging around where. I don't take any notice. The way you wrote that statement suggests these girls are asking for it. Let's remember the girls involved are often ones that are vulnerable, i.e in care, (or lack of?) homeless or whatever. I also couldnt care less whether the spineless cowards involved are white, black, brown or yellow; the all need stringing up by the balls. Up until that point, I agreed with most of the points you made. Ben. My point (clumsily made I grant you) is that it is interesting to note though that young Asian girls are never out at this time of night hanging around on the streets. As well as dealing with the perpertrators of these crimes we also need to deal with whatever part of our society it is that makes it so easy for this to happen! |
Originally Posted by f1_fan
(Post 11112273)
My point (clumsily made I grant you) is that it is interesting to note though that young Asian girls are never out at this time of night hanging around on the streets. |
Originally Posted by f1_fan
(Post 11112138)
Not if your official figures are only those composed by the government no, as they are liars as has been proven time and time again!
If you notice my statement referred to all official figures no matter which body they are collated by... so by official I mean figures actually collated by a recognised body using a scientific approach other than by someone like impreza94 reading teh Daily Mail. HTH :thumb: |
Originally Posted by 94impreza
(Post 11112301)
You've provided no facts, no sources. Any "recognised body" can be discredited as they will either be government funded or privately funded. Any statistics can be manipulated to suit whoever is collating them, except the one's you've provided of course because they are non existent :thumb:
My probelm is trying to argue that immigration doesn't bring net financial gain to the UK is like trying to argue that grass is purple.... it isn't, but it is so obvious it isn't it doesn't need any further discussion unless you are some sort of weirdo that can't accept the bleeding obvious! Aha ;) |
Originally Posted by Mouser
(Post 11112294)
Is this through choice and is it age related?
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Originally Posted by f1_fan
(Post 11112320)
How do you mean?
Are they (young Asian girls) not allowed "out" until they reach a certain age? |
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