Originally Posted by juggers
(Post 11607608)
Yes 2 trillion $ for the people, so that means a lot of people at the top make a lot of money don't they?
I cant believe people are so dense and can't see that the system we are in is a corrupt one. Where blind people at the bottom like you will be robbed and dont know it. I don't know where to begin.........do you not think these terrorist organisations are funded by the UK and U.S for there proxy wars? The conflict with Russia and Iran......what is the cause Martin? Why is the U.S, UK and Arabia trying to cripple the Russian economy? |
Originally Posted by Martin2005
(Post 11607611)
I think you are delusional and cannot back up a single point in your post with anything even remotely resembling a fact.
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Originally Posted by juggers
(Post 11607615)
Great response, you obviously know sweet FA hence the response. If you don't know whats going on in the world how can I take you seriously. Go google it ...to many chavs on here and there main source of information is the DM!
PS isn't Google one of those evil US corporations? |
Originally Posted by Martin2005
(Post 11607619)
Are those your facts? If so then we should stop this discussion right now, because there's just no way I can argue against google and a willful anti-logic
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Originally Posted by juggers
(Post 11607608)
Before 9/11 there were not issues with the Muslims!!! |
Originally Posted by juggers
(Post 11607608)
Before 9/11 there were not issues with the Muslims!!! Following the Slovenian and Croatian secessions from the Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia in 1991, the multi-ethnic Socialist Republic of Bosnia and Herzegovina, which was inhabited by Muslim Bosniaks (44 percent), Orthodox Serbs (31 percent) and Catholic Croats (17 percent). I seem to remember they had a slight misunderstanding between the lot of them. 9/11 was in which year before 1991? |
Originally Posted by juggers
(Post 11607608)
Yes 2 trillion $ for the people, so that means a lot of people at the top make a lot of money don't they?
I cant believe people are so dense and can't see that the system we are in is a corrupt one. Where blind people at the bottom like you will be robbed and dont know it. I don't know where to begin.........do you not think these terrorist organisations are funded by the UK and U.S for there proxy wars? The conflict with Russia and Iran......what is the cause Martin? Why is the U.S, UK and Arabia trying to cripple the Russian economy? If half of you spent as much time looking into these issues as you do on Scoobynet (which will effect you and your children) then perhaps you would have a totally different opinion on the conflicts that are raging across the middle east. Along with all this bull-**** Islamphobia. Before 9/11 there were not issues with the Muslims!!! Here's an eyewitness account from a NY firefighter who lost the lives of fellow firefighters. THose guys work on the edge are like a band of brothers, which comes through You're of course bang on re the Middle East. Understanding the Middle East is crucial to understanding world events. Where can you begin attempting to discussing such a huge subject as the world is actually not what most people think it is?? |
Originally Posted by Martin2005
(Post 11607571)
To what ends was this massive and ludicrously complex plot supposed to meet?
How many people would have had to of been involved? How would they all of kept their silence for so long? Seriously Neil, I'm really surprised at you over this. Personally i'd be surprised if 9/11 was a government op but I can see why would think otherwise. |
Originally Posted by bonesetter
(Post 11607695)
Don't bother. You're banging you're head against a wall. Although a third here have voted 'No' and if this poll was on a global level that figure would much higher. The more vocal naysayers here are are in a minority, there's not many left who believe the official 9/11 story
Here's an eyewitness account from a NY firefighter who lost the lives of fellow firefighters. THose guys work on the edge are like a band of brothers, which comes through https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQrpLp-X0ws You're of course bang on re the Middle East. Understanding the Middle East is crucial to understanding world events. Where can you begin attempting to discussing such a huge subject as the world is actually not what most people think it is?? Petrodollars and it's relationship to the Middle East? How money is made out of nothing? If you can back those questions up with something approaching fact and logic, then I'm all ears. |
Originally Posted by Martin2005
(Post 11607707)
I think you need to try answer the question of who plotted 9/11, how many were involved, and how come they've all managed to keep it quiet for so long?
If you can back those questions up with something approaching fact and logic, then I'm all ears. |
I think they simply conflate two issues
that the rich and powerful (whether individuals, organisations or countries) are able to bend events to their advantage, to either gain more power/control or simply money is a simple fact. but that in itself is not evidence of a conspiracy - that's just the way the world works, and we see it working like this on a daily basis - it is nothing new we know this because 1% of the world owns more wealth than 99% of the rest (according to Oxfam) |
Originally Posted by Martin2005
(Post 11607707)
I think you need to try answer the question of who plotted 9/11, how many were involved, and how come they've all managed to keep it quiet for so long?
If you can back those questions up with something approaching fact and logic, then I'm all ears. Now for your first point. Lets assume hypothetically that it was a US government op. To maintain plausible deniability, the president would have kept out of the loop. So the decision would have come from one of the joint chiefs and they would most likely have a black ops group who would ultimately carry out the attack. Something of the scale of a 9/11 attack would most likely be kept completely off the record. So any potential leak would have to come from someone directly involved and if you keep the number of people involved to a minimum, keep track of everyone involved (to ensure secrecy of course) shouldn't be difficult. |
Originally Posted by bonesetter
(Post 11607695)
Don't bother. You're banging you're head against a wall. Although a third here have voted 'No' and if this poll was on a global level that figure would much higher. The more vocal naysayers here are are in a minority, there's not many left who believe the official 9/11 story
They want to believe it was the US govt, so no matter how many facts, debunks etc. you present them with, they move on to the next thing, and so it goes. I'm willing to bet that the conspiritards in this thread also believe we didn't go to the Moon!:cuckoo::freak3: |
Has there ever been the case of a conspiracy theory being proved to be correct?
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Originally Posted by davyboy
(Post 11607858)
Has there ever been the case of a conspiracy theory being proved to be correct?
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A quick google and the watergate scandal was an attempted cover up.
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Originally Posted by davyboy
(Post 11607858)
Has there ever been the case of a conspiracy theory being proved to be correct?
the NUM always accused McGregor (brought in by the conservative government) to head the National Coal Board, of conspiring with the government in the events leading up to and during the miners strike - this was always vehemently denied by the goverment I believe subsequent letters that have been released under the 30 year rule seem to suggest their was some truth in that "conspiracy" theory |
the Left always accused the US of conspiring to help the Contras in El Salvador (and Pinochet in Chile)
the exposing of the secret "conspiracy" of the Iran-Contra affair proved them right |
the link between smoking and cancer (and asbestos for that matter)
the science had been pretty much done and dusted by the 70's - but the Tobacco companies conspired to deny it up until 2000 - they the simply moved onto passive smoking they were always accused of running a conspiracy between them - and they did |
Originally Posted by hodgy0_2
(Post 11607870)
without wishing to debate the why's and wherefors of the minors strike
the NUM always accused McGregor (brought in by the conservative government) to head the National Coal Board, of conspiring with the government in the events leading up to and during the miners strike - this was always vehemently denied by the goverment I believe subsequent letters that have been released under the 30 year rule seem to suggest their was some truth in that "conspiracy" theory
Originally Posted by hodgy0_2
(Post 11607875)
the Left always accused the US of conspiring to help the Contras in El Salvador (and Pinochet in Chile)
the exposing of the secret "conspiracy" of the Iran-Contra affair proved them right
Originally Posted by hodgy0_2
(Post 11607884)
the link between smoking and cancer (and asbestos for that matter)
the science had been pretty much done and dusted by the 70's - but the Tobacco companies conspired to deny it up until 2000 - they the simply moved onto passive smoking they were always accused of running a conspiracy between them - and they did |
Originally Posted by juggers
(Post 11607608)
Before 9/11 there were not issues with the Muslims!!!
I started secondary school in 1997 and had a Pakistani lad in my class. We knew he was Pakistani because the majority of lads played cricket and we had a lot of Pakistan v England banter. In the days following Sept 11th in 2001, after 4 years of being in the same class day after day, I remember someone asking him if he was a Muslim. |
Originally Posted by davyboy
(Post 11607858)
Has there ever been the case of a conspiracy theory being proved to be correct?
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a list of people who may have been killed to cover up the truth
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqqVD4aFWZ4#t=346 someone asked how they can keep there secrets i dont expect to be able to change anyones opinions on what they believe to be the truth, some people will believe the goverment and mainstream media and others will ask questions and look a bit deeper there are no answers just lots of questions |
*may* have...
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yes may have . i dont have any conclusive evidence . and hope i never do , if that list really is what it appears to be
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The results of this poll say more about the gullibility/stupidity of people posting on here than they do about anything else.
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Originally Posted by gary77
(Post 11608168)
a list of people who may have been killed to cover up the truth
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqqVD4aFWZ4#t=346 someone asked how they can keep there secrets i dont expect to be able to change anyones opinions on what they believe to be the truth, some people will believe the goverment and mainstream media and others will ask questions and look a bit deeper there are no answers just lots of questions what if I told you everything that the video says about Barry Jennings is wrong he did not say any of those things, how do we know this, because he was interviewed for a BBC documentary about WTC 7 - and said so he saw no bodies, he said there was NO "explosion" etc etc everything he said corroborated the generally accepted theories - he was categorically not a truther what if I told you that if you take any event that touched 1000's of people, statistically you will always be able to come up with a list of deaths from people who were there, some even suspicious you would not believe me, the BBC or him (Barry Jennings) you believe some crackpot on youtube |
I will probably look into Barry Jennings at some time,
I'm willing to accept you could be right but also that you might be wrong. And no I don't believe everything is fact on you tube or mainstream media.that's why I said may have been killed not have been |
if there was any cover up around 9 11 will be to protect/hide the fact that maybe there was sufficient intelligence to piece it all together if all the US agencies had been working together properly - but hindsight is 20/20
maybe, between the FBI/CIA/NSA/Foreign Office/State department they should have spotted the plot - but we know that even within organisations you have power struggles, people withholding information from colleagues for their own personal career advancement - to move up the greasy pole, that's just simple human nature, that's how people behave and we absolutely know that there was no love lost between all these agencies, the FBI hated the CIA, the State Department hated the CIA - see "Plamegate" - they were all competing for federal dollars maybe after the event their was a push to suppress some embarrassing evidence that might have shown they were asleep on the Job an email from a junior to a senior CIA agent, suggesting they look at flight training - who knows, would it be plausible that this was hushed - sure, simple human nature to avoid embarrassment but the central narrative is clear, planes were flown into the buildings by Saudi based hijackers, a combinations of the damage from the planes and structural weakness cause by the subsequent fires brought down the towers |
Originally Posted by hodgy0_2
(Post 11608255)
what if I told you that video is total boll0x
what if I told you everything that the video says about Barry Jennings is wrong he did not say any of those things, how do we know this, because he was interviewed for a BBC documentary about WTC 7 - and said so he saw no bodies, he said there was NO "explosion" etc etc everything he said corroborated the generally accepted theories - he was categorically not a truther what if I told you that if you take any event that touched 1000's of people, statistically you will always be able to come up with a list of deaths from people who were there, some even suspicious you would not believe me, the BBC or him (Barry Jennings) you believe some crackpot on youtube |
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