Careful you're starting to sound like me. :lol1:

There's the rub, people just don't want to accept that we / our powers that be could somehow be to blame for all of this... it's all those nasty muslims fault. :cuckoo: nothing to do with the fact that we in our various guises have been killing them in their droves for some considerable time... Palestine anyone. :wonder:

You make me laugh

Please explain why not?

It is emotive as it involves children, so let's keep the emotion on the same scale.

Do you believe a person that downloads a picture of a naked child should be prosecuted?.

We have tiny numbers of refugees compared with rest Europe .

And share similar problems . Yet given the chance to say no to any more immigration the French said NO

It's good to see you agree with the French. You obviously agree with their decisions to close 100 mosques over the next few years.
The far right have grown year in year out in France, its statistically proven.

Theoretically Martin what would you vote? Would you imagine more than 1% would offer their own home to a refugee?. If not, why not?.
Lets actually get to the core of what British people want.

Oh and still no solutions of your own. You're definitely one of life's spectators.

4 things for sure
1 something like this will happen again
2 western foreign interventions have nothing to do with morals, oil and resources and money yes
3 mp's have shares in the arms companies
4 its only a question of time before the shoe is on the other foot
and all of you babbling on about libya should look up what it was like before the western world stuck its nose in

That depends what side of the fence you sit on. To the majority, the side I sit on, those that do nothing, say nothing are not just as mental as the terrorists themselves but are helping the next terrorist act happen, and the eventual revenge attacks as well.
The tim foil hat brigade sit in front of itv and BBC news and think it isn't remotely scripted and set up.

Trump picked up on the revenge attack in Sweden , decided paint it as terrorism and you fell for it

+1 raggy doo
this thread has become a mockery please have some respect for the youth and the generation that has passed away and just think for a second how the effected families feel and going through and how they will live knowing there child is gone without even living there lives to there full potential and all the times they would have lived through together

Some of you here really need to grow up honestly and have some respect for the lives lost

Because there are plenty of legitimate reasons to be reading up on how to make a bomb which don't involve building one with the intention of using it to kill people.

That's the most sensible thing you've said in a while. :thumb:

Any way, yes people who download child pornography should be prosecuted (being the short answer).

That's quite an assumption. It's entirely possible that a large number of people hold similar views but never actually go as far as acting on them. So you'd like to see them locked up just in case, I can see that panning out really well.

I like that.
Might make some politicians actually THINK for a change, for a start!

No, no, no it isn't! No, no, no it doesn't! No, no, no it won't!
squawk!

Do you ever have any actual arguments, rather than flat denial/mocking?

Do you agree that the full on media coverage is music to the terrorist's ears and simply encourages another arsehole that killing kids is a great way to promote the "cause"?

D

Well said :thumb:

shoudnt be swept under the carpet , but yes .

Also the media seem to be given free reign to discuss a lot security stuff ,even you would have thought explaining HOW to potential weak minded folk indoctrinated by hard liners

Free reign to smugglers and toddlers dying daily ( 30 couple days ago) , The place sounds like hell on earth now

Are you being deliberately ironic?

Please give an example of why someone would have a legitimate reason to use their home computer to look up bomb making techniques.


I agree of course. However which is the most harmful to human life?. Access to bomb making instructions or child porn?.

Research for work/education/curiosity.

Child porn. A child will have been abused in some way shape or form in the production of said images, where as someone with basic chemistry/engineering knowledge can produce bomb making instructions without harming anyone. There's even an article on the BBC website at the moment that give you the bulk of the information required, it wouldn't take much to figure out the rest.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...ngham-40046773

I think division is music to their ears. Morons like Katy Perry shouting that we should love "on" each other and just "co-exist" is actually hurtful. The majority are never going to agree to unity, because we've tried that several times and still innocent people die. People now that shout love and carry on as if its normal will eventually realise but that may take another 20-30 attacks.

I'll have to praise Trump and say the best thing he did was call fake news. It certainly woke a lot of people up to what they were reading/watching and CNN and the NYT have become a laughing stock. It needs to happen over here.

Trump is one of the biggest creators of fake news

You'll need to elaborate I'm afraid. I see no reason why someone would need to use the internet. If they are in a profession that would require being able to make an IED (Christ knows what industry that is) then they would be able to get that information through their superiors.
Education, well I do hope it isn't taught at school. Again though if they are being taught chemistry at a level that requires them to know how to make a bomb then they'd be able to get that information from their teacher/lecturer, not on their home pc using google.
Curiosity, that's the most worrying. What would motivate a person to be curious on how to blow things up?.



I did actually say a naked child. Not a child being abused. Every parent in the land has the usual bath, paddling pool, running around with their bum out pictures of their kids, perfectly innocent. However someone searching for said pictures of someone else's children is obviously very sinister.

It worries me how readily available the information is to make a bomb. You obviously googled something like "how to make a bomb" and found the BBC link. Would you have googled it if for example that carried a 1 year prison sentence?.
Or a better question would be could the world continue without this information being so readily available?.

Lol, where did you read that :lol1:. Feel free to provide links to back up your accusations.

Sorry Martin but you don't ever really have an argument. It's very cowardly to pick holes in what people say unless you have a real point to make or an alternative solution yourself.

I'm not sure what your point is here?. I assume you are saying Libya was far better off before the West muscled in.
But that would mean the parents of this terrorist fled a country that was "ok" under Gaddafi but went back when it was awful.

It was reported on ITV news (who are as liberal as they come) that the parents and brother wrestled his passport from him to prevent him returning to the UK because they knew what he was about to do. When he got the passport from him did they alert the authorities? No.

Inauguration crowd size
Voter fraud
Bowling Green Massacre
US murder rate
Terror attacks across Europe are not being reported
Terror attack in Sweden
Lied about why Comey was fired and who's decision it was


I'm sure there's a lot more, but this is off the top of my head

Have you actually looked these up for yourself? You do realise the crowd depicted in the media was a picture taken early, later pictures clearly show a bigger crowd.

Voter fraud. I'm not sure what you are eluding to with that but I assume you mean the amount of americans registered to vote that are either dead or not living in the US?.

Bowling green wasn't actually trump it was his aid. The mistake she made was using the word "massacre". Bowling green eludes to 2 Iraqi lads in the US who built bombs to blow up US army soldiers, it was I suppose a prevented massacre. That incident lead to Obama banning Iraqi immigration for 6 months, before Obama then compiled the list of "mainly" muslim countries that Trump signed off on for 90 days. Look it up.
http://www.bgdailynews.com/news/bowl...f658e631f.html

Trump didn't say "terror attack in Sweden". Again like DPB you've read a headline and been duped. Look the video up. His words were "what happened last night in Sweden" apparently regarding a documentary on Swedish immigrant riots shown the night before on fox news.

Comey is a interesting one. Look up all the democrats that were calling for Comey to be fired, then lambasted Trump for firing him.


I'm not sure what you mean about the other 2 but please provide links, I'm sure they'll be other headlines that were "fake".

I think you need to open your eyes a little. Trump is ripe for fake news. He shoots from the hip. He certainly doesn't seem to have a slick speech writer and most of what he says seems to come from his head. I'm not saying I agree with everything he says but at least he's real and has passion. I'm sure he has made mistakes, but he is a very good example of media depiction and manipulation.