Dw be honest, a pug would run rings around your st any day of the week in the twisties. ;)
Matt fwd can handle higher power, it just needs to be driven right, my 309 was 220hp and it would badger elises all day long, provided it stayed in one piece long enough. :D Never driven a fwd turbo but id imagine it would be interesting. |
Dad's mate Turbo'd a 205 GTi 1.9 (when they were new) in the 80s - it was absolutely LETHAL!
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I have had many powerful FWD Civic's the most powerful being a 1.6 vtec turbo, spec was insane, making just shy of 300hp. As fun as it was, it was lethal.
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Yet no one would raise an eyebrow at a RWD or 4WD car with 300bhp...!
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Odd if anything a 205 rewards a better driver, like i said you need to know how to throw it about.
First thing i did with the 309 was have it sideways facing the central reservation doing 70, silly yes but it was totally controllable. As the others have said if you boot any turbo charged car into a corner it's bound to understeer regardless if it's fwd or 4wd, you just have to feather the throttle to get the most from it. |
Yes, but its more controlable in a AWD car. FWD gets a bit boring with torque steer, horendous understeer, wheel spin etc.
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Well i've never driven a fwd turbo car yet but i can imagine it being a handful.
However my 309 was very fast and had only an occasional hint of it, the lsd did a very good job of taming the car, you just needed the balls not to light off otherwise it got interesting. :D Isn't the rs and st boost limited in the first two gears to cut down on it anyway? |
My 205 had 200bhp and was a quick car, but it did suffer from terrible wheelspin, torque steer and is what I would class as "lethal".
When I bought my ST as std it was slower than the 205 but far safer. Now the ST is modded and near to 300bhp it totally annhialates my old 205 in every way possible, and still remains safe. It never understeers, or does anything which has scared me to death (unlike my 205), it DOESNT torque steer, and it is in no way at all any sort of "lethal" car. Nobody can comment unless they have driven a proper 300bhp FWD vehicle for a decent length of time, yes test drives are OK but they in no way help you to learn the car properly. I'm not saying FWD is better than RWD or AWD but it's not inferior. Just watch the BTCC and see what happens to the Beemers in every single race - if another car even gets close to them they spin out!! Hux, trust me on this, the new breed of FWD hatches are nothing like the old Pug days, my ST is about the most sure footed car I've owned and totally different to the old hatches. Std ST and RS are torque limited but the remaps cuts it right back. |
Originally Posted by Dream Weaver
(Post 8874246)
My 205 had 200bhp and was a quick car, but it did suffer from terrible wheelspin, torque steer and is what I would class as "lethal".
When I bought my ST as std it was slower than the 205 but far safer. Now the ST is modded and near to 300bhp it totally annhialates my old 205 in every way possible, and still remains safe. It never understeers, or does anything which has scared me to death (unlike my 205), it DOESNT torque steer, and it is in no way at all any sort of "lethal" car. Nobody can comment unless they have driven a proper 300bhp FWD vehicle for a decent length of time, yes test drives are OK but they in no way help you to learn the car properly. I'm not saying FWD is better than RWD or AWD but it's not inferior. Just watch the BTCC and see what happens to the Beemers in every single race - if another car even gets close to them they spin out!! Hux, trust me on this, the new breed of FWD hatches are nothing like the old Pug days, my ST is about the most sure footed car I've owned and totally different to the old hatches. Std ST and RS are torque limited but the remaps cuts it right back. builds confidence like no other car iv driven |
Originally Posted by paulwrxboro
(Post 8874381)
The RS is defenetly the safest feeling car iv ever driven at any speed on any bend or any rounderbout
builds confidence like no other car iv driven |
dude i cant spell for toffe
never realy botherd me...i still get £50 an hour in my job ;) |
Yeh he teaches English.
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Originally Posted by paulwrxboro
(Post 8876430)
dude i cant spell for toffe
never realy botherd me...i still get £50 an hour in my job ;) Peasant...;):lol1::lol1: How are you enjoying the RS BTW? There seem to be lots of threads about how quick it is (or isn't) but not many about real life ownership. Is it vaguely practical? How's the mpg? Is it loosening up with more miles? How are the brakes? etc - the sort of stuff I'm always interested in! |
Originally Posted by Dream Weaver
(Post 8873607)
I've also never had either understeer or torque steer in the ST and I do drive it quickly when I'm on my own. :lol: Turn wheels press accelerator - understeer Job done will take you 30 seconds to achieve both in a FWD car.:D |
Originally Posted by Matteeboy
(Post 8876601)
Is that all?
Peasant...;):lol1::lol1: How are you enjoying the RS BTW? There seem to be lots of threads about how quick it is (or isn't) but not many about real life ownership. Is it vaguely practical? How's the mpg? Is it loosening up with more miles? How are the brakes? etc - the sort of stuff I'm always interested in! seems to be losening up every 100 miles i do, my average mpg is 24 on the comp iv had 1 niggle with it twice ive started the car up and its had no power steering i turn it off and its ok next time i start it the cars a great car end of :D |
Post some pics then Paul.
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Originally Posted by paulwrxboro
(Post 8878285)
im still loving it, its as practical as any other focus it drives like a normal car if you want it to, pretty hard to keep it under 30 tho, brakes are real good if anything too sharp at very lowspeed about 3mph they seem to lock up and you can bang your head lol
seems to be losening up every 100 miles i do, my average mpg is 24 on the comp iv had 1 niggle with it twice ive started the car up and its had no power steering i turn it off and its ok next time i start it the cars a great car end of :D How about the engine, does it cool down good, or does it have residual heat problems like all the previous engines on these Fords? |
Originally Posted by Zod.
(Post 8878373)
Post some pics then Paul.
if you insist :D http://i653.photobucket.com/albums/u...g?t=1250194274 http://i653.photobucket.com/albums/u...g?t=1250194375 http://i653.photobucket.com/albums/u...focus027-1.jpg |
Your avatar pic shows the green to be a little 'washed out', but in the other pics it looks great.:thumb:
I particularly like the performance blue - or whatever it's called. |
its very sunny on the av pic, the paints a pearl and changes a bit with the light
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Originally Posted by paulwrxboro
(Post 8880238)
its very sunny on the av pic, the paints a pearl and changes a bit with the light
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Originally Posted by Janspeed
(Post 8879072)
Sounds a bit serious! :eek:
How about the engine, does it cool down good, or does it have residual heat problems like all the previous engines on these Fords? |
i wish they hadnt tinted t'rear windaz so much
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Paul - great pics. Where were they taken?
Wierd thing about our (pretty damn powerful) Beemer is that even after a hard run, it makes NO noise once you switch it off - most odd (diesels do run cooler) - My R32 used to make a right racket for about 15 mins after stopping - big fan, ticking, etc. Evo have a long termer RS and a Mountune ST - will follow them both carefully. They are having a slight hesitation issue at 2.5k (ish) rpm - any sign of that in yours Paul? |
Originally Posted by Matteeboy
(Post 8880635)
Wierd thing about our (pretty damn powerful) Beemer
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Originally Posted by michaelro
(Post 8881057)
Did you really need include the bracketed comment.... :rolleyes:
Happy? I doubt it. :rolleyes: |
Originally Posted by Matteeboy
(Post 8881063)
Yes I did - it's powerful and has twin turbos so goes fast yet doesn't heat up much. If it was a 318d, I wouldn't expect it to get very hot at all. I did need to include the bracket comment you Terry.
Happy? I doubt it. :rolleyes: Care to elaborate? I know what you own, so do most people who frequent this forum, so why repeat it constantly....? |
Sort of an insult - you need to read Viz...
My entire point was that it's a pokey car but doesn't tick tick or whirr when hot. If I was applying it to our very UNpowerful other car, it wouldn't be so relevant. In fact it has a fraction of the hp and torque yet makes more of a fuss when it's hot - probably because it's a petrol. Try hurtling around in a car at very high speeds, getting home, switching off and hearing... ...nothing. It's quite odd. The RS sounds like it makes the usual racket expected of a POWERFUL car. As is your Octavia (if it's a vRS) and to a certain extent, your wife's Fabia (if it's a vRS) - you seem more than happy to mention your cars repeatedly after all... Sorry, did that offend you too? |
Originally Posted by Matteeboy
(Post 8881081)
You seem more than happy to mention your cars repeatedly after all...
Sorry, did that offend you too? I looked back through my posts and I've referenced mine or my wife's car a total of 5 times - You've shoehorned in references to your car that many times in a single thread.... I'm not insulted - Bored is more accurate ;) |
Originally Posted by markymark34
(Post 8877496)
Put the car on a straight road and bring it to a stop. Now floor it, your car will steer off the road (torque steer) there you go you have had torque steer in your car.
Turn wheels press accelerator - understeer Job done will take you 30 seconds to achieve both in a FWD car.:D I also go round bends with the throttle pedal on and similarly I'm yet to go anywhere near a hedge, or understeer off the road. Believe what you like, I'm the one that owns and drives said vehicle and therefore am in a good position to comment. :) Matt - have you finally bought a (powerful) BMW, when did that happen, I must have missed it? :lol1: |
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