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Originally Posted by tony de wonderful
(Post 9831991)
Demonising Israel.
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Originally Posted by AsifScoob
(Post 9832006)
Hello James, :)
I didn't mean that they had no religion, to be honest I don't know that, only they do. If I were to speculate however, I am sure they feel that there is a religious justification for what they are doing, but I honestly think, the political power they crave is a far stronger draw. What 'religion' they might have, guides some of their everyday actions, such as what they eat, how they might dress and so on. Hardcore Zionists are essentially extreme nationalists IMO and act accordingly. Asif There are lots of nationalists in this world. |
Originally Posted by f1_fan
(Post 9832011)
Hypocrite!
I've never referred to this or that as 'evil'. 'Evil' as an explanation or analysis?! It's just vilification and demonisation. Please actually read what I post. |
Originally Posted by tony de wonderful
(Post 9832013)
If they craved power they were proselytise. Judaism doesn't though.
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Originally Posted by Bubba po
(Post 9832020)
That's not even fecking English.
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Originally Posted by tony de wonderful
(Post 9832016)
Please actually read what I post.
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Originally Posted by AsifScoob
(Post 9832006)
Hardcore Zionists are essentially extreme nationalists IMO and act accordingly.
Asif |
Originally Posted by Bubba po
(Post 9832020)
That's not even fecking English.
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Originally Posted by tony de wonderful
(Post 9832021)
If the best you can do is attack my grammer then it only shows the weakness of your arguments.
It's not your grammAr, it's your syntax I'm taking issue with. If you're going to write something, at least make it intelligible. :lol1: |
Originally Posted by JTaylor
(Post 9832024)
Devoid of an imperative drawn from prophecy and a God given covenant?
But then anyone who believes that have some God given justification for the murder of innocents would fall into this category anyway. |
Originally Posted by AsifScoob
(Post 9832029)
If that means, "not very religious", then yes. :)
But then anyone who believes that have some God given justification for the murder of innocents would fall into this category anyway. What Zionist doctrine justifies murder? |
Originally Posted by tony de wonderful
(Post 9832013)
If they craved power they would proselytise. Judaism doesn't though.
There are lots of nationalists in this world. Are the Israeli leadership driven by Earthly lust? Biblical mandates? Racial loyalty? An amalgam of each? It strikes me as being near impossible to evaluate. |
Originally Posted by AsifScoob
(Post 9832026)
LOL! Not as bad as the 'practising witchcraft' bollock he dropped the other day. Still makes me laugh. :lol1:
Originally Posted by Bubba po
(Post 9832027)
It's not your grammAr, it's your syntax I'm taking issue with. If you're going to write something, at least make it intelligible. :lol1:
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Originally Posted by JTaylor
(Post 9832043)
You've referenced both witnessing and jingoism here, perhaps deliberately. As I stated earlier Jewry offers up faith and race on the same plate. When set 'against' incomparable opponents it makes righteous assessment complex.
Are the Israeli leadership driven by Earthly lust? Biblical mandates? Racial loyalty? An amalgam of each? It strikes me as being near impossible to evaluate. So long as it does not preach supremacy, domination etc...taking others freedoms away etc then you can't oppose it from any reasonable POV. |
Originally Posted by JTaylor
(Post 9832048)
Please, chaps. It seems so petty. I've read enough of your posts over the past half decade to know that you have enough natural ability not to have resort to this. Tony, to his credit, does not engage in this. Refute the man's points, otherwise it becomes about ego and lacks substance.
If you feel I conduct myself in an unacceptable fashion with everyone here, you would have a point. Someone who enjoys looking down his nose at others and conducts himself in the manner that your friend does, does himself no favours and gets off lightly IMO. If you will address your friends conduct too then feel free to address mine also. But as you won't I see no reason to not continue as I see fit. :) |
We can have 30 pages of this spirited banter, but it won't make a difference. Demographics will bring an end to the entity called Israel and the land will be reclaimed by the original inhabitants of the Levant, from the Eastern European transplants.
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Originally Posted by AsifScoob
(Post 9832063)
James, by reading enough of my posts in that time you know very well how I conduct myself. I don't need to explain myself, especially to you, re your friend. He has no 'points' to refute.
If you feel I conduct myself in an unacceptable fashion with everyone here, you would have a point. Someone who enjoys looking down his nose at others and conducts himself in the manner that your friend does, does himself no favours and gets off lightly IMO. If you will address your friends conduct too then feel free to address mine also. But as you won't I see no reason to not continue as I see fit. :) |
Originally Posted by JTaylor
(Post 9832075)
These discussions are about principle, passion, history, theology and politics. Whilst I understand that Tony doesn't give way and that this gets on peoples' tits, it does the other side of the room no favours by resorting to ad homs. It's not my place to to judge, I know that, but your argument is, in my view, strong enough not to have to resort to insults. Tony is on the the thick end of a disproportionate amount of flack but always attacks the position and not the man. In my view that's worthy.
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Originally Posted by tony de wonderful
(Post 9832016)
He's said all that with zero evidence. He just 'knows'.
I've never referred to this or that as 'evil'. 'Evil' as an explanation or analysis?! It's just vilification and demonisation. Please actually read what I post. |
Originally Posted by scud8
(Post 9831974)
You're lucky. I'm Welsh. And peach.
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Originally Posted by tony de wonderful
(Post 9831991)
Yes I heard those Egyptian shark attacks were done by Mossad. They trained the sharks and implanted radio controls.:rolleyes:
You are scapegoating but don't know it. Demonising Israel. The Lavon Affair http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavon_Affair |
Originally Posted by dpb
(Post 9830818)
Was mainly trying to flush out tdw Les , once an for all
Les ;) |
Originally Posted by AsifScoob
(Post 9832029)
If that means, "not very religious", then yes. :)
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I love tonys complete disregard for fact and reality. Tony you state that the Palestinians left and never came back, you don't mention being forced out by war and terrorism from Jewish groups who wanted them out. You then say that they never came back, you did not mention that they were not allowed to some back, if Israel let people come back to the land they hd stolen from them at some point they may get to vote and then the **** hits the fan. You critisize Arab terrorism but not Israeli government supported terrorism which has also targeted British citizens. It seems obvious that no land was ever going back to the palestinians if it was was why are more settlements continuing to be built in Arab land ? As a side point Turkey had every right to invade cyprus after the military coup de etat started the war to turn cyprus Greek.
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Originally Posted by Luan Pra bang
(Post 9832422)
I love tonys complete disregard for fact and reality. Tony you state that the Palestinians left and never came back, you don't mention being forced out by war and terrorism from Jewish groups who wanted them out. You then say that they never came back, you did not mention that they were not allowed to some back, if Israel let people come back to the land they hd stolen from them at some point they may get to vote and then the **** hits the fan. You critisize Arab terrorism but not Israeli government supported terrorism which has also targeted British citizens. It seems obvious that no land was ever going back to the palestinians if it was was why are more settlements continuing to be built in Arab land ? As a side point Turkey had every right to invade cyprus after the military coup de etat started the war to turn cyprus Greek.
Arabs that stayed within the borders of Israeli got citizenship. The Palestinians never owned the land as a nation state. There is a difference between owning the land as a nation and private ownership. As to the Palestinians who lost private land when they left - expecting an Arab victory - they should have stayed and looked after their property. Why hasn't Turkey left now then? Greece isn't run by the military anymore. |
The arabs that were not scared off by terrorist attacks and the massacre of women and children by Israeli military were given land, thats nice. Would you have kept your family there in constant fear of them being killed in cold blood ?
As for Cyprus the Turkish part of the Island agreed to the EU proposals to rejoin cyprus as one. The Greek half rejected it posisbly becuase they don't want to return all the Turkish owned property they stole. |
is this thread still going on 7 pages to long for me but would like to know has TDW answered the question yet?
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Originally Posted by Tee-
(Post 9833219)
is this thread still going on 7 pages to long for me but would like to know has TDW answered the question yet?
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Originally Posted by Luan Pra bang
(Post 9833201)
The arabs that were not scared off by terrorist attacks and the massacre of women and children by Israeli military were given land, thats nice. Would you have kept your family there in constant fear of them being killed in cold blood ?
Jewish people were driven out of large parts of the Islamic world by pogroms in the 1940's, it's hardly surprising they formed militias in Palestine to secure themselves. Yes I acknowledge there were atrocities on both side - and that includes masacres of Jewish people, but as I understand it the Jewish state did not by default confiscate private land owned by Arabs unless absent. Do you know otherwise? You are the one saying they 'stole' land.
Originally Posted by Luan Pra bang
(Post 9833201)
As for Cyprus the Turkish part of the Island agreed to the EU proposals to rejoin cyprus as one. The Greek half rejected it posisbly becuase they don't want to return all the Turkish owned property they stole.
Turkey ethnically cleansed it's half. Before the invasion Cyprus was minority Turkey. How do you square that with your support of the Palestinians? Military intervention (like Iraq). Re-settlement and ethnic bias (like Israel (allegedly)) |
Originally Posted by f1_fan
(Post 9833245)
Nope, ridiculous really. :Whatever_
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