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gary77 21 January 2015 09:36 PM


Originally Posted by hodgy0_2 (Post 11609083)
Why is it a theory when hotsam - who lived nr the pentagon has friends who saw a plane hit

All the evidence, the bit of plane inside and outside of the building, the DNA of all the passengers

In fact plenty of eyewitnesses saw the plane - because as hotsam says it flew over a highway

I would either have to completely disbelieve 100s of people and all the evidence

A plane hitting the pentagon is not a theory


i accept a plane did crash into the pentagon

when i say theory i mean the complete official theory of who ,how and why as opposed to conspiracy theories on the who,how and why

Martin2005 21 January 2015 09:39 PM


Originally Posted by gary77 (Post 11609104)
i can accept the plane did crash into the pentagon

when i say theory i mean the complete official theory of who and how

How does this answer fit with what you said in 208?

gary77 21 January 2015 09:44 PM

i dont understand the question , everything i said still stands ,

Zuber 21 January 2015 10:00 PM

Why is there no video footage of the plane hitting the pentagon?? Cause a rocket hit it that's why,,, too many Man on the Moon believers on here!!!:cuckoo:

gary77 21 January 2015 10:07 PM

at the tim this thread started i was unsure if a plane had even hit the pentagon , because of the lack of damage to the building before it collapsed . since that time i have read some more articles on the net and because of the 100's of eyewitnesses that reported seeing the airliner that theory does seem rediculous now .

it actually does more damage than good because it distracts people away from the who and why.

hodgy0_2 21 January 2015 10:07 PM


Originally Posted by Zuber (Post 11609147)
Why is there no video footage of the plane hitting the pentagon?? Cause a rocket hit it that's why,,, too many Man on the Moon believers on here!!!:cuckoo:

If there was video footage ( it would need to be high speed) of the plane hitting the pentagon

You would simply say how suspicious it was - "a camera, pointing at the exact spot, and you expect me to believe that"

You simply can't win

gary77 21 January 2015 10:11 PM

i get what your saying , but it is strange that the fbi took all videos of the plane from local businesses and the only footage they have to show us is 5 frames

hodgy0_2 21 January 2015 10:15 PM

Why would businesses have cameras looking a the sky

Turbohot 21 January 2015 10:15 PM


Originally Posted by gary77 (Post 11609165)
i get what your saying , but it is strange that the fbi took all videos of the plane from local businesses and the only footage they have to show us is 5 frames

At least they showed us 5 frames of that. They showed ferk all when they disposed Osama Bin Laden's body off. I wonder where he's kept hidden alive and kicking these days. :Suspiciou

jonc 21 January 2015 10:25 PM


Originally Posted by stipete75 (Post 11608944)
How much hassle in flattening a building using controlled explosions....load bearing this n that etc etc, next time a building has authority to come down just use planes, they obviously seen to bring down the biggest of towers almost perfectly not splaying sideways etc.

Sarcasm aside, you're missing the point. How much thermite and explosives is required to bring down two of the largest buildings in the world along with building 7? Which manufacturer of such products could manufacture the quantity required and where would you store it, bearing in mind it being explosives requiring specialised storage? How many involved are qualified to transport, set up and install such an installation for demolition? Above all how come none of the thousands of office workers failed to noticed all the wires and explosives in the walls? What happened to the people carrying out the demolition and from where did they do it? The collapse of the towers began at the point of the crash, what wiring or exploves could survive that if the building was indeed rigged up in order for someone to initiate the collapse?

So whilst you may have "answers" to question raised by conspiriacy theorists of 9/11, what about the questions regarding the logistics of such theories?

gary77 21 January 2015 10:28 PM


Originally Posted by hodgy0_2 (Post 11609172)
Why would businesses have cameras looking a the sky

why did the fbi take 84 of them if they showed nothing , the plane taraveled at tree top hight for some distance . also highways have cameras , the point is it would have been seen on some cctv at some point

gary77 21 January 2015 10:38 PM


Originally Posted by jonc (Post 11609180)
Sarcasm aside, you're missing the point. How much thermite and explosives is required to bring down two of the largest buildings in the world along with building 7? Which manufacturer of such products could manufacture the quantity required and where would you store it, bearing in mind it being explosives requiring specialised storage? How many involved are qualified to transport, set up and install such an installation for demolition? Above all how come none of the thousands of office workers failed to noticed all the wires and explosives in the walls? What happened to the people carrying out the demolition and from where did they do it? The collapse of the towers began at the point of the crash, what wiring or exploves could survive that if the building was indeed rigged up in order for someone to initiate the collapse?

So whilst you may have "answers" to question raised by conspiriacy theorists of 9/11, what about the questions regarding the logistics of such theories?


thermite or thrmate something like that military grade stuff that cuts through steel.
.george bushes brother was a director of the people in charge of security at the time. The ongoing ,i think, elevator refurbishment works , is the basics of themost populer theory , if you want to listen to an even more hard to believe theory google dr judy wood , she believes in a theory involving cold fusion , now that is a brilliant conspiracy theory , basically works something like radio frequency and turns concrete to dust, but to understand how it might of been possable you would have to do research online and listen to experts in that field

Zuber 21 January 2015 10:45 PM

Round and round we go,,,,look at the big picture folks and open your eyes!! The ZOG is trying to start a major conflict and it ain't smelly bearded old men sitting in caves in Afganistan causing all this carnage!!! I know of folk who served in Afganistan and it was no War on terrorism, the Yanks were protecting the poppy fields and using the place as a weapons testing area before moving into Iraq!! Look at the **** hole now, the Taliban rule the place and are now being asked to join the new Government!!

All our soldiers were sent there to die for nothing,,, same as in Iraq. This **** makes me seriously pissed off, as most of the population of this country and other western countries believe their governments and all their propaganda bull**** regarding Binladen and his goat herding misfits etc etc! And don't get me started on Islamic State, as that's a ZOG puppet army too!!

Martin2005 21 January 2015 10:50 PM


Originally Posted by Zuber (Post 11609201)
Round and round we go,,,,look at the big picture folks and open your eyes!! The ZOG is trying to start a major conflict and it ain't smelly bearded old men sitting in caves in Afganistan causing all this carnage!!! I know of folk who served in Afganistan and it was no War on terrorism, the Yanks were protecting the poppy fields and using the place as a weapons testing area before moving into Iraq!! Look at the **** hole now, the Taliban rule the place and are now being asked to join the new Government!!

All our soldiers were sent there to die for nothing,,, same as in Iraq. This **** makes me seriously pissed off, as most of the population of this country and other western countries believe their governments and all their propaganda bull**** regarding Binladen and his goat herding misfits etc etc! And don't get me started on Islamic State, as that's a ZOG puppet army too!!

And he was Buzz Lightyear's nemesis. Or was it Superman's? I forget

gary77 21 January 2015 10:50 PM

i agree with you zuber but what is ZOG

gary77 21 January 2015 10:51 PM


Originally Posted by Martin2005 (Post 11609206)
And he was Buzz Lightyear's nemesis

:lol1: i knew i'd heard of him before

Zuber 21 January 2015 10:53 PM

Google What is ZOG and you will see!

gary77 21 January 2015 10:56 PM

i'll look properly another time , the jew thing allways comes up . im still unsure what it is about them

hodgy0_2 21 January 2015 10:57 PM


Originally Posted by gary77 (Post 11609207)
i agree with you zuber but what is ZOG

Is that a joke

You agree, but not sure what too?

Martin2005 21 January 2015 10:59 PM


Originally Posted by Zuber (Post 11609212)
Google What is ZOG and you will see!

I googled it and the first hit was 'an antisemitic conspriacy theory'. We are now weaving various conspiracies together (with a good dollop for racism), almost to the point that I'm not entirely sure we're not actually living in the matrix

gary77 21 January 2015 11:01 PM


Originally Posted by hodgy0_2 (Post 11609217)
Is that a joke

You agree, but not sure what too?

i agreed with what he said but was unsure who he thinks are the people behind it . i would of guessed the illumanati

Carnut 22 January 2015 01:01 AM


Originally Posted by bonesetter (Post 11608810)
I really can't rule it out, and given what I have seen seems the only one left

Similar high tower infernos (Spain) which burnt much hotter and for hours longer did not come down.

Skyscrapers of the ilk are specifically designed to withstand multiple large aircraft impacts

What about the TT's owner - Silverstein? What did he do two months before they fell? Didn't he sell them, or insure for them for double, or something - he then tried to sue for another zillion or something...??

So now the guy who owned the towers was in on it, this is getting a bit too silly now.

Carnut 22 January 2015 01:17 AM


Originally Posted by Zuber (Post 11609201)
Round and round we go,,,,look at the big picture folks and open your eyes!! The ZOG is trying to start a major conflict and it ain't smelly bearded old men sitting in caves in Afganistan causing all this carnage!!! I know of folk who served in Afganistan and it was no War on terrorism, the Yanks were protecting the poppy fields and using the place as a weapons testing area before moving into Iraq!! Look at the **** hole now, the Taliban rule the place and are now being asked to join the new Government!!

All our soldiers were sent there to die for nothing,,, same as in Iraq. This **** makes me seriously pissed off, as most of the population of this country and other western countries believe their governments and all their propaganda bull**** regarding Binladen and his goat herding misfits etc etc! And don't get me started on Islamic State, as that's a ZOG puppet army too!!

Goat herding misfits :lol1:

the*Saudi Binladin Group, a global oil and*equity management conglomerate grossing US$2 billion annually, and the largest construction firm in the world,*


Carnut 22 January 2015 01:22 AM


Originally Posted by gary77 (Post 11609165)
i get what your saying , but it is strange that the fbi took all videos of the plane from local businesses and the only footage they have to show us is 5 frames

I've said this before but it's called gathering evidence/information for a investigation, would you rather they just guessed at what happened and maybe asked a few people on Facebook.

bonesetter 22 January 2015 08:32 AM


Originally Posted by Turbohot (Post 11609173)
At least they showed us 5 frames of that. They showed ferk all when they disposed Osama Bin Laden's body off. I wonder where he's kept hidden alive and kicking these days. :Suspiciou

This is the same old pattern used over and over

Th perpetrator(s) is captured and then killed

Paris shootists, OBLaden, JFK to name 3

neil-h 22 January 2015 08:36 AM


Originally Posted by hodgy0_2 (Post 11608975)
It must be so exasperating, why do you think so many Americans believe them

Simply lost faith in the republic

We are talking a nation in which people believe that Kanye West has just discovered a hot new musical talent in the form of.... Sir Paul Mcartney. :brickwall

bonesetter 22 January 2015 08:40 AM


Originally Posted by hodgy0_2 (Post 11609159)
If there was video footage ( it would need to be high speed) of the plane hitting the pentagon

You would simply say how suspicious it was - "a camera, pointing at the exact spot, and you expect me to believe that"

You simply can't win

There must be cameras pointing all over the place

Thing is, and not wanting to make this personal, you are completely closed to the possibility of something being not quite as the official story goes.

Don't you think governments have propaganda to think about to control their people?

Every g'ment has a Ministry of Propaganda - haven't you read 1984 or Brave New World?

You only have to look at who benefits, and look what has happened 'terror wise' since 9/11. There are literally hundreds of terror groups now springing up all over the place.

And then are there are all the 'anti-terror laws' (yours and mine persoanl freedoms) coming in...

Arguing small details of 'conspiracy theories' here could go on forever, but look at the bigger picture - it's right there in front of your eyes

Martin2005 22 January 2015 08:50 AM


Originally Posted by Zuber (Post 11609201)
Round and round we go,,,,look at the big picture folks and open your eyes!! The ZOG is trying to start a major conflict and it ain't smelly bearded old men sitting in caves in Afganistan causing all this carnage!!! I know of folk who served in Afganistan and it was no War on terrorism, the Yanks were protecting the poppy fields and using the place as a weapons testing area before moving into Iraq!! Look at the **** hole now, the Taliban rule the place and are now being asked to join the new Government!!

All our soldiers were sent there to die for nothing,,, same as in Iraq. This **** makes me seriously pissed off, as most of the population of this country and other western countries believe their governments and all their propaganda bull**** regarding Binladen and his goat herding misfits etc etc! And don't get me started on Islamic State, as that's a ZOG puppet army too!!

Zuber, do you believe that the holocaust happened?

jonc 22 January 2015 10:21 AM


Originally Posted by bonesetter (Post 11609344)
This is the same old pattern used over and over

Th perpetrator(s) is captured and then killed

Paris shootists, OBLaden, JFK to name 3

And Michael Adebolajo, Michael Adebowale, Terry Nichols, and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev? :facepalm:

Zuber 22 January 2015 10:34 AM

@Martin2005, yes, the holocaust happened for sure, there's no doubt about it!


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