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hodgy0_2 22 January 2015 10:35 AM


Originally Posted by bonesetter (Post 11609347)
There must be cameras pointing all over the place

Thing is, and not wanting to make this personal, you are completely closed to the possibility of something being not quite as the official story goes.

Don't you think governments have propaganda to think about to control their people?

Every g'ment has a Ministry of Propaganda - haven't you read 1984 or Brave New World?

You only have to look at who benefits, and look what has happened 'terror wise' since 9/11. There are literally hundreds of terror groups now springing up all over the place.

And then are there are all the 'anti-terror laws' (yours and mine persoanl freedoms) coming in...

Arguing small details of 'conspiracy theories' here could go on forever, but look at the bigger picture - it's right there in front of your eyes

we know the bigger picture - 1% own more wealth than the bottom 99%

there has been a revolving door between the heads of the US Federal Reserve and the leading US Banks,

The Secret Services will ALWAYS lobby for more power and control - that's what they do

the rich and powerful will always bend events to their advantage, getting richer and more powerful - that's what they do, that's the advantage of being rich and powerful

power and wealth tends to converge and consolidate - we know this - see my first point above

your not really telling me anything new

bonesetter 22 January 2015 12:59 PM

How about this then?

5 Huge Government Conspiracies Theories That Actually Happened


Geezer 22 January 2015 01:11 PM


Originally Posted by bonesetter (Post 11608773)
:lol1:

Explosions were heard and seen and recorded on film coming from the base levels, not on the 80 whatever floors where some smallish fires were - and black smoke only remember so no-where near girder bending temps ;)

At a few levels down the lights, air con, lifts etc were working fine

neither tower fell on top WTC7. Both free-fell on their own footprint

rocket science it is?

WTC7 was hit by the south tower as it fell. Where on earth do you get this rubbish about falling in their own footprint. I watched it live on the day, it was clear that it did not. :cuckoo:

bonesetter 22 January 2015 02:03 PM

:lol1: falling on their own footprints is something I made up :D

To describe them pretty much collapsing on top of themselves, rather than falling sideways

Geezer 22 January 2015 02:11 PM


Originally Posted by bonesetter (Post 11609546)
:lol1: falling on their own footprints is something I made up :D

To describe them pretty much collapsing on top of themselves, rather than falling sideways

Both towers collapsed in consistent with how events actually unfolded. The pancaking of the floors (brought about by collapse from the top, not bottom) allowed them to fall 'relatively' striaght down, but the outer columns were free to peel away, hitting all the buildings (and not just WTC7) around the north and south towers.

If they had been brought down by explosives, the pancaking would not have occurred and we would have seen a totally different result (well, apart from them being very short ;) )

stipete75 22 January 2015 02:40 PM


Originally Posted by gary77 (Post 11609165)
i get what your saying , but it is strange that the fbi took all videos of the plane from local businesses and the only footage they have to show us is 5 frames

The plane flew over a major highway just before hitting, you would of thought there would be dozens off clips for this low flying bird from people's mobile phones all over the internet,............there is not one! Just witness reports only.

bonesetter 22 January 2015 02:45 PM

^ zero footage whatsoever

Oh, sorry the FBI has loads from all the cameras. That's alright then

stipete75 22 January 2015 02:49 PM

Exactly the same as 7/7, London being the most CCTV captured capital on earth, they have one or two grainy images only. Stinks of poo poo

bonesetter 22 January 2015 02:53 PM

And Di's murder - oops, accident

All 73 cameras en route switched off

No conspiracy there either, move along now

stipete75 22 January 2015 02:54 PM

Yup more important things to worry about, like who's next to get evicted in big bro lol

jonc 22 January 2015 03:49 PM


Originally Posted by stipete75 (Post 11609557)
Exactly the same as 7/7, London being the most CCTV captured capital on earth, they have one or two grainy images only. Stinks of poo poo

What also stinks of poo poo is if you know so much about the truth of all these atrocities, and considering that a few shadey groups of omnipotent people are able to pull off one of THE most complex and elaborate operation without leaving a trace of themselves and bumping off people in the know, why or how are you able to evade these very same people? Or is it simply because they haven't come across SN yet? :Suspiciou

Alan Jeffery 22 January 2015 03:51 PM


Originally Posted by stipete75 (Post 11609557)
Exactly the same as 7/7, London being the most CCTV captured capital on earth, they have one or two grainy images only. Stinks of poo poo

The CCTV is looking for pickpockets, not many of them at cruising altitude..

hodgy0_2 22 January 2015 04:00 PM

also without having to state the obvious (but you sometimes have to:rolleyes:)

this is 2001 - before the smartphone

Martin2005 22 January 2015 04:37 PM


Originally Posted by hodgy0_2 (Post 11609595)
also without having to state the obvious (but you sometimes have to:rolleyes:)

this is 2001 - before the smartphone

I know that and you know that, but these nutters manage to ignore these blatantly obvious holes in their arguments.

stipete75 22 January 2015 04:40 PM


Originally Posted by hodgy0_2 (Post 11609595)
also without having to state the obvious (but you sometimes have to:rolleyes:)

this is 2001 - before the smartphone

I stand corrected, Iv just googled it, camera phones were introduced to the public in early 2001 in japan first, then rolled out to the states in early 2002.
I must be getting old lol

stipete75 22 January 2015 04:41 PM


Originally Posted by Martin2005 (Post 11609613)
I know that and you know that, but these nutters manage to ignore these blatantly obvious holes in their arguments.

Who asked you to join our convo, speak only when spoken too.............tard.:hjtwofing

stipete75 22 January 2015 04:42 PM


Originally Posted by Alan Jeffery (Post 11609589)
The CCTV is looking for pickpockets, not many of them at cruising altitude..

7/7 not 9/11

stipete75 22 January 2015 04:53 PM


Originally Posted by jonc (Post 11609586)
What also stinks of poo poo is if you know so much about the truth of all these atrocities, and considering that a few shadey groups of omnipotent people are able to pull off one of THE most complex and elaborate operation without leaving a trace of themselves and bumping off people in the know, why or how are you able to evade these very same people? Or is it simply because they haven't come across SN yet? :Suspiciou

Wake up, the CIA invented the word conspiracy theorists.
Those who believe mainstream stories(lies, not all are lies)are the ‘crazies’,conspiracy theorists are saner and reflect conventional wisdom.

The term was invented and put into wide circulation by the CIA to smear and defame people questioning the JFK assassination!

Although the CIA designed propaganda seems to be wearing off,as those who do not believe government accounts of such events as 9/11 7/7 JFK outnumber believers by more than two to one.

I am one of many millions all around the globe who doubt "some" official msm stories, and as you are probarly aware snet is hardly the holy grail of the internet.

Martin2005 22 January 2015 04:55 PM


Originally Posted by stipete75 (Post 11609616)
Who asked you to join our convo, speak only when spoken too.............tard.:hjtwofing

You very quickly turn nasty when your alternative reality is questioned don't you?

stipete75 22 January 2015 05:01 PM


Originally Posted by Martin2005 (Post 11609625)
You very quickly turn nasty when your alternative reality is questioned don't you?

More to the point than nasty Martin,,,,this is hardly the matrix!
Now do us all a favour and foooooook off:thumb:









































:D

Martin2005 22 January 2015 05:17 PM


Originally Posted by stipete75 (Post 11609632)
More to the point than nasty Martin,,,,this is hardly the matrix!
Now do us all a favour and foooooook off:thumb:



No

stipete75 22 January 2015 05:21 PM


Originally Posted by Martin2005 (Post 11609640)
No

Well said that man, stand your ground, this isn't primary school now.

jonc 22 January 2015 05:36 PM


Originally Posted by stipete75 (Post 11609622)
Wake up, the CIA invented the word conspiracy theorists.
Those who believe mainstream stories(lies, not all are lies)are the ‘crazies’,conspiracy theorists are saner and reflect conventional wisdom.

The term was invented and put into wide circulation by the CIA to smear and defame people questioning the JFK assassination!

Although the CIA designed propaganda seems to be wearing off,as those who do not believe government accounts of such events as 9/11 7/7 JFK outnumber believers by more than two to one.

I am one of many millions all around the globe who doubt "some" official msm stories, and as you are probarly aware snet is hardly the holy grail of the internet.

It was a tongue in cheek post! I am awake, like you I like to ask questions that remain unanswered and accounts of events that just don't add up, except their directed at conspiracy theorist. I don't see why they should escape inquisition either! :thumb:

gary77 22 January 2015 06:02 PM


Originally Posted by Carnut (Post 11609283)
I've said this before but it's called gathering evidence/information for a investigation, would you rather they just guessed at what happened and maybe asked a few people on Facebook.

That doesn't change the fact or the point I made. Which was that the only footage they can show us is 5 frames.

Understandy

c_maguire 22 January 2015 06:12 PM


Originally Posted by Martin2005 (Post 11609625)
You very quickly turn nasty when your alternative reality is questioned don't you?

Hardly unique in that respect. If you hadn't quoted him I might have thought you were responding to someone else.

hodgy0_2 22 January 2015 06:27 PM


Originally Posted by gary77 (Post 11609676)
That doesn't change the fact or the point I made. Which was that the only footage they can show us is 5 frames.

Understandy

do you know what the average frame rate and viewable range for, circa 1990's, CCTV technology

do you also know what the proximity or speed of the aircraft was when it did or didn't pass CCTV cameras

neil-h 22 January 2015 06:58 PM


Originally Posted by jonc (Post 11609586)
What also stinks of poo poo is if you know so much about the truth of all these atrocities, and considering that a few shadey groups of omnipotent people are able to pull off one of THE most complex and elaborate operation without leaving a trace of themselves and bumping off people in the know, why or how are you able to evade these very same people? Or is it simply because they haven't come across SN yet? :Suspiciou

Or maybe it's because 'they' think no one would be mad enough to believe these conspiracies are real. ;)

daveyj 22 January 2015 07:12 PM

Or simply Guns versus Fists/Sauce pans.......

Even if it did come to light that it was an inside job......would you want to have a go? I wouldn't. Just saying.

neil-h 22 January 2015 07:22 PM

I've just seen this else where and had to punt it out on here.

http://www.political-humor.org/wp-co...rporations.jpg

gary77 22 January 2015 07:36 PM


Originally Posted by hodgy0_2 (Post 11609695)
do you know what the average frame rate and viewable range for, circa 1990's, CCTV technology

no but one camera managed to catch it . was it imposable for most cctv to film a plane in that year ?


do you also know what the proximity or speed of the aircraft was when it did or didn't pass CCTV cameras

if it did cross the viewing path of any cctv it would have been doing around 500mph i think and could of been any distance from it within reason and if it didnt pass cctv then well it doesnt matter how far away it was from the cctv it didnt pass or the speed it was doing while not passing cctv

HTH


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