Originally Posted by Geezer (Post 9834559)

Don't try to play the anti-Semitism game :nono:

Originally Posted by Geezer (Post 9834559)

I against Judaism in the same way I am against Christianity or Islam, but I am in no way against Jews, Christians or Muslims. There is a very important difference.

Geezer

Originally Posted by Bubba po (Post 9834283)

I'm on the side of the Palestinians and I have no religion at all. Neither do I have any racial affinity with them. :)

Originally Posted by Luan Pra bang (Post 9834382)

I have solidarity with any opressed people, it just so happens that Palestinians feature highly becuase the shocking crimes committed against the palestinian people by Israel and is supporters has a knock on effect all over the world including the UK. Years of UK American and Russian support for Israels crimes has helped create a definate divide between the Islamic and christian world that helps those who gain self importance from terrorism find easy reccruits. From a point of view of a paelstinian who has had their own children wife or relatives murdered by the IDF why would they not support terrorism against the west ? Western leaders support Israel in their treatment of Palestinians as a sub human species with no right to life land or freedom and we support those leaders.
If an Arab nation acted they way Israel do we would probably find an excuse to invade yet we don't make the slightest effort to curb their excess', A simple round of economic sanctions and an arms embargo against Israel may get their attention and even stop terrorist attacks from being targeted at the UK. Frankly the fact that we trade with Israel is a joke.

Originally Posted by tony de wonderful (Post 9834875)

You bring Islam into it why?

Originally Posted by JTaylor (Post 9833987)

This is a cororally (a weak one) founded on an untruth. I haven't 'confessed' to a 'double standard', you accused me of such.

Originally Posted by JTaylor (Post 9834209)

Good post.

Originally Posted by JTaylor (Post 9835602)

I don't see what you think you've proved. Meaningless.

Originally Posted by JTaylor (Post 9835602)

I don't see what you think you've proved. Meaningless.

Originally Posted by AsifScoob (Post 9835606)

No, it was not a good post.

Tony goes to huge lengths to explain why he thinks no one else but Palestinians can support them. But he on the other hand, because he has an 'interest', can support Israel, even though he is not Israeli.

Does this, plus your own selective support of only specific allies of the West, ie Israel, but not Saudi, not show the two of you up to being completely inconsistent in your views and just on a complete wind up?

Originally Posted by JTaylor (Post 9835646)

It means that you were pressing me to round on someone and that I refused. Nothing more. If you want to get back into that thread I'll happily point out that you seemed unfamiliar with the differences between Wahhabi teachings and Qutbism were of little relevance. On this thread you've stated that religion is of little or no import. You seemed perplexed my reference to the Book of Ezekiel. I'm not that convinced of your familiarity with the subject, perhaps that's why you engage in personality politics.

Originally Posted by JTaylor (Post 9835646)

It means that you were pressing me to round on someone and that I refused. Nothing more. If you want to get back into that thread I'll happily point out that you seemed unfamiliar with the differences between Wahhabi teachings and Qutbism were of little relevance. On this thread you've stated that religion is of little or no import. You seemed perplexed my reference to the Book of Ezekiel. I'm not that convinced of your familiarity with the subject, perhaps that's why you engage in personality politics.

Originally Posted by tony de wonderful (Post 9835667)

Nobody has come up with a credible reason for supporting them. You can take a humanist stance (which nobody has done explicitly) and say that you have solidarity for that reason, but otoh there is much suffering in this world so why disproportionately focus on the Palestinians...and how can you take that position when Hamas, Hezzbollah etc are completely amoral?

Originally Posted by tony de wonderful (Post 9835667)

Nobody has come up with a credible reason for supporting them. You can take a humanist stance (which nobody has done explicitly) and say that you have solidarity for that reason, but otoh there is much suffering in this world so why disproportionately focus on the Palestinians...and how can you take that position when Hamas, Hezzbollah etc are completely amoral? Also no humanist would need to use lies and propaganda which just makes me thing the Palestinian 'cause' is weak.

Originally Posted by AsifScoob (Post 9835606)

Does this, plus your own selective support of only specific allies of the West, ie Israel, but not Saudi, not show the two of you up to being completely inconsistent in your views and just on a complete wind up?

Originally Posted by JTaylor (Post 9835697)

Your view of my consistency is inconsistent, Asif.

https://www.scoobynet.com/showpost.p...&postcount=276

And my response to the Saudi question is in this polemic.

https://www.scoobynet.com/showpost.p...&postcount=256

Originally Posted by AsifScoob (Post 9835670)

Sorry did you want to change the subject?

You said I had a point but you were not going to do/say anything about it. This is because he is either your friend, so you are going to be inconsistent to stay on his side. Or you just like to be inconsistent?

I'm not convinced of your integrity with the subject, perhaps that's why you engage in personality politics?

Originally Posted by AsifScoob (Post 9835693)

Tony, the innocents are dying, needlessly. No one can come up with a credible reason why one set of innocents is more deserving of death than another. I have put this point to you before.

Originally Posted by AsifScoob (Post 9835693)

Feel free to call me humanist or whatever. I cannot claim to be part of any political party or group, so feel free. It makes no difference to me.

I have called it common sense and decency, but you choose to decry that. Shame on you.

Please don't tell me it is the fault of X, Y , or Z. You do not know the answers any more than the next person. I personally find it incredible that BOTH sides find it easier to kill each other then to not kill each other.

If you are still wondering why there are so many 'Islamist sympathisers' or 'anti semites' (that either you or JT referred to in an earlier post) around, there are not.

There are just people here who don't believe your view that it is all the fault of one side over the other and prefer balance. You need to realise this and come off your crusade. Trust me it is all in your mind.

Originally Posted by JTaylor (Post 9835714)

Stay on his side? What is this, the playground? :lol1:

Originally Posted by AsifScoob (Post 9835710)

James. If you had always shown inconsistency I would have no point to make, would I? You USED to be, or you are in every other regard. Does that help?

Originally Posted by JTaylor (Post 9835729)

Nope. What are you talking about? By the way are you now saying that your sympathy is with both the Palestinian people and the Israeli people? Who do you support in this? :)

Originally Posted by AsifScoob (Post 9835718)

YOU STARTED IT! ;)

Anyway, you carry on sidestepping the subject.

Originally Posted by banny sti (Post 9835745)

Everyone should stop posting on this thread, and leave the two friends to it :thumb:

Originally Posted by AsifScoob (Post 9835738)

I tell you what James, go back to what you wrote and explain exactly what you meant by it. Exactly what 'point' did you concede?