Originally Posted by Dan W (Post 10020474)

As controversial as this may sound, if the war on terror is all about securing oil that maintains our way of life then so be it. Whats the alternative?

Let all of western society slowing break down which would probably lead to the death of thoasands anyway.

I think its a numbers game. How many would die in the Islamic countries to protect our way of life versus how many would die in western countries if we didn't. I think its the same equation used when the USA dropped bombs on Japan.

NO country ever became powerful by being nice to people and the more Britain take the Liberal/humanist approach we become ever weaker and more vulnerable. The moral highground doesn't protect society. Armed aggression does.

Other countries/religions know this and must rub there hands in delight at the prospect of us always being nice, accommodating and soft to them. They know full well that when once their foothold is strong enough in our society they will become the armed aggressor and take what is ours by force.

To prevent that we fight fire with fire. It is the only way theis country has survived.

Originally Posted by Dan W (Post 10020474)

The moral highground doesn't protect society. Armed aggression does.

Originally Posted by GlesgaKiss (Post 10020500)

That sounds slightly contradictory. I understand what you're saying, but you must surely think we have a right to oil? The problem with accessing it is foreign government not big on free exchange. I think it 99% of cases it would be beneficial to everyone to produce oil, 'us' and any foreign population. But what would your solution be if the owners of private land in another county just didn't feel like selling the land to be drilled on? Armed aggression?

Originally Posted by tony de wonderful (Post 10020512)

I think he was defending militarism as a mean to settle political conflicts.

Originally Posted by juggers (Post 10019989)

There’s quite a few of us on this forum who are smart enough to realise that the "war on terror" is a well orchestrated strategy by the Americans and our UK government to gain strong holds in regions that would of previously been very difficult to do so.

This has also been done under the cloak of Islam as the land they require with all the oil is occupied by Muslims.

Originally Posted by ice643 (Post 10020600)

well said ,its all about resources and the Muslims are sitting on it.but some people will never reealise that.:thumb:

Originally Posted by GlesgaKiss (Post 10020526)

Ah, I see. Heil Hitler! :D

Originally Posted by azz250478 (Post 10021230)

Ok so lets say they haven't killed him or whatever strange theories some of you have come up with. Wouldn't OBL have released a video message to instantly portray the US as the liars the conspiracy theorists believe they are?

Originally Posted by tony de wonderful (Post 10020424)

So 9/11, Madrid, London 7/7 never happened?

Originally Posted by hutton_d (Post 10021302)

If Obama wanted to create conspiracy theories he couldn't have done a better job .....

Dave

Originally Posted by Mus (Post 10021151)

... my personal opinion is the havent even got the guy and it's just so the people don't say what a waste of money and innocent lives lost the they pull out these stunts America are show offs they would of paraded him and put him in a Museum lol

Originally Posted by f1_fan (Post 10020382)

Nope, I am saying that the whole 'the Muslim extremists are taking over the free world' crap put about by the Western governments and the media is just utter bollocks and in part a good way to divert attention from other problems, a good excuse to spend out money on what they wish (after all it's in the name of national security) and to keep the Western populations subjugated by fear!

Originally Posted by JTaylor (Post 10021398)

I may well be mistaken, but as I read it this seems a little conspiratorial, f1. Are you of the view that Western populations ought not be fearful of militant Islamism?

Originally Posted by f1_fan (Post 10021404)

Not to the extent the media and the governments would like us to be no.

Originally Posted by f1_fan (Post 10021404)

Yes in modern history there have been some terrorist attacks in the name of Islam, but there have also been some terrorist attacks not in the name of Islam.

Originally Posted by f1_fan (Post 10021404)

The media and goverments seem to be trying to create a mass hysteria among the Western populations which leads to many people becoming intolerant toward all Muslims and can even lead to people posting on Japanese car forums with emotive phrases such as the "War on Islamism" :)

Originally Posted by Terminator X (Post 10021368)

Er, if it's made up they could have done that 9yrs ago!

TX.