john banks

Just bought this from the US, was £80 delivered. Used once, think I prefer the knocklink but this does look a lot better and also has a shift light. Offers to johnbanks@dsl.pipex.com


"As any tuner knows, the demise of numerous engines, particularly highly tuned, forced induction engines has been attributed to engine knock. Even though highly tuned forced induction engines are at most risk, engine knock is a condition that should be avoided for all engines.
What Exactly is Knock?
The semantics of knock, pre-ignition, or detonation can be argued among automotive engineers, however it is basically an uncontrolled ignition of the air fuel mixture. The uncontrolled part means that it doesn’t occur at the desired time in the combustion cycle. Normally the timing of the ignition is designed to maximize pressure in the cylinder so that it will push the piston down with the most force. Knock can cause high cylinder pressures at times when it actually counteracts the force and also cause shockwaves within the cylinder. It is the shockwave that emits the characteristic "tinkling" sound you often hear when the engine is knocking. In reality by the time you hear knock the chances are that the engine has been knocking for a while. Car manufacturers are continuously researching better ways of detecting knock and in the future we may see more direct methods such as pressure sensors and ionized current measuring however the majority of cars still use an indirect method of detecting knock by listening to the ringing sound of the cylinder using a piezoelectric knock sensor.
KnockLite Development
TurboXS has developed a series of engine management computers called the UTEC, which supplement the factory ECU. The WRX, STi and EVO UTEC’s all have a knock detection circuit and software which provides active knock control when knock is detected plus a visual warning of knock to the driver. It has been a favored feature of the UTEC and TurboXS has received numerous positive comments about it. The KnockLite evolved from the knock detection work that was done on the UTEC’s with the aim to provide the same functions but in a smaller and more universal package. The KnockLite is also a standard item supplied with the TurboXS DTEC range of Fuel and Boost computers. TurboXS tested various knock detection units on the market and it found that many units only had one level of sensitivity regardless of RPM. This could easily give the false impression of no knock at low RPM.
How the KnockLite Detects Knock
The task of detecting knock is to detect the characteristic sounds of knock above the background engine noise. By filtering out the engine noise, it allows the detection of knock at the earliest stage possible. The task of filtering out the noise is no simple task as the level of engine noise changes with RPM. Thus for a knock detection system it is important to be able to vary the sensitivity over RPM. If you only have one setting then the knock detection will be sensitive to knock at high engine noise (high rpm) but there will be a reduced sensitivity at low RPM.

The KnockLite system connects to a broadband frequency knock sensor such as a Bosch knock sensor, but it can also be connected to a suitable factory sensor. It is very important to carefully position the knock sensor on the engine as you are trying to detect the ringing of the cylinder and so this has a major effect on the performance of any knock detection system. The actual mounting of the knock sensor and the torque setting of the mounting bolt is important as well to provide the best contact for the knock sensor. Under normal operation the KnockLite measures the RPM and adjusts its sensitivity to suit. It then measures the engine noise and determines whether knock is present. If knock is detected it will determine how severe the knock is and flash either an amber or a red LED. The KnockLite initially needs to learn the characteristics of the engine and this is done by activating the KnockLite program mode. In program mode you rev the engine to three separate RPM points and capture the engine noise levels from the knock sensor using the Program pushbutton. This is done over three points in the RPM range so that the KnockLite can determine an engine noise profile. Once calibrated the KnockLite sensitivity can be increased or decreased using the Program button. The KnockLite uses a RISC processor (which is a fancy name for a small micro-controller) to process the knock signal, determine the RPM and store all the calibration information in its non-volatile memory.

As a bonus, a shift light function has been added which is easily programmed by revving the engine to half the desired shift light RPM point and pressing the Program button. If the engine RPM exceeds the shift light RPM point it will turn on a green LED. The KnockLite requires power, ground, knock sensor signal and an RPM signal. The RPM signal can be taken from either a tach signal, which is common on most cars, or even from the points on an older car. The KnockLite is packaged in a machined billet aluminum case and comes with full instructions for fitting and calibrating."

john banks

Sold.

joey_turbo

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Sorry to sound so stupid, but, once knock has been detected, what do you do? Are supposed to immediately turn the engine off?

joey_turbo

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Sorry, ignore my question. just read another thread.

Dark Blue Mark

Interesting product John!

Any UK suppliers?

I do wonder why these cant tap into the facory knock signal before the ECU?

MB

xav

can anybody tel me where is the speed engine signal on the EDM sti2006 ECU ???
I've by one xs knocklite but it need the rpm signal to adapt noise...

Sorry with my english, I'm french

Dark Blue Mark

I would put up a new post in the General Techinical forum.

MB

Andy916

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Hi John,

What makes you prefer the knocklink? Is it the fact that you've got the green leds there continuously confirming the system is still working? How come you used it only the once?

Does indeed look much better than the knocklink.

Andy

KenS55STI

Answers to various questions:

I bought this knocklite from John and it has been installed in my STI for a while now connected to a separate bosch knock sensor as would be used by a knocklink. I had a knocklink before and prefer this as it has to be calibrated to the engine in the car. It works very well because I have tested it whilst listening for det with det cans. Bottom line is if it flashes red then I have det. It doesn't tend to give any false alarms.

The only bad thing I would say is that it is supposed to flash amber with mild det and red with heavier det. I think I have seen amber once red every other time. If it dets then it is red on my car (2001 jdm sti). I didn't bother with the shift light as I already have one on the rev counter.

I can understand why someone may prefer the knocklink because it has the green.amber and red lights that should show you the severity of det but I am quite happy with the knocklite, I don't think it picks up as much background noise as the knocklink with the bosch sensor. I don't know how it performs if you tap into the factory knock sensor, not something I considered, if the ecu uses this to protect the engine then I'm not going to mess with it.

You can get these from Thor Racing in the uk.

Yes, it does look better than the knocklink and I have mine mounted on the A pillar where I can see it when driving. The knocklink has a cumbersome block connector and stiff wiring that makes it difficult to connect up and install neatly in a subaru, the knocklite wiring can be run from the A pillar down the edge of the windscreen inside the car, along the dashboard join and doorpost until it disappears under the dashboard and goes through the grommet into the engine bay. I taped the harness up with black insulating tape and you can hardly notice it inside the car.

I'll let John comment as to why he prefers the knocklink, I'm quite happy with the knocklite so I guess it may simply be personal preference.

Hope this helps, over to you John.

Ken

pele

Ken, where did you get the Bosch sensor from? I have the knocklink but no sensor as I had to just rip out whatever I could after I killed my Scooby, therefore didn't have time to take intercooler off and disconnect sensor.....