blue_scooby187

Hi just wondering how much roughly a full engine rebuild is as pretty sure the crank is knackered on my 2004 wrx
Thanks

ditchmyster

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Can be done for £2.5/3k depends on spec really.

barnshaw

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depends on what parts you use and where you take it, you could do a standard rebuild with standard parts for a couple of grand, but it would be worthwhile considering putting in forged parts whilst it is apart, pistons, rods, ACL bearings etc for a bit more.

stonejedi

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There is To much variables to give a exact figure,your best bet is to find a engine builder that you want to do the work for you and have a heart to heart price wise.SJ.

blue_scooby187

I got 3500 spare but also want clutch changed what would this budget get me cheers chaps

stedee

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You might as well go forged as standard parts are pretty much the same price.

stedee

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Clutch change shouldn't be much labour wise as engine is out anyway. You should find someone to do it for 3.5k

stedee

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Where r u. Best advice is go to the guys who are well known on here like api

blue_scooby187

I'm located in Essex chelmsford the car is running 346 so I would like a safe rebuild for this Bhp or am I looking over 3.5k

User 21721

You could rebuild it but down the line the gearbox would eventually go. What I would do if I had a 3.5k budget would be to go for a Version 8 STi long engine which can be had from £1000-1500 depending where you get it from. Then I would spend about the same on a 6 speed STi gearbox, which may already come with the clutch. That way both the engine and gearbox can handle over 400hp with ease and it would be a lot cheaper.

HTH

Regards,

Subaru Collector 555.

Hawkeye D

Forging sounds so expensive but best quality parts and workmanship comes at a premium.

On the other hand, people blow that sort of money (or more) on a two week holiday in Vegas or Disneyland for example, I'd rather have a build done and enjoy it for a long time to come.

blue_scooby187

So best option is find a good STI engine 6speed box won't be going over 346 it does sorry did crunch when going in to 1st some times

mtb_ed

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ICP selling brand new version 8 short motor ready for your heads to bolt on for under 2k.

Add new sump, oil pump, oil cooler, cambelt kit and a few gaskets. Job done

stonejedi

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It's a good option if the sourced sti block is a goodun,as they can take the power levels that you are looking to run with ease,plus it's much cheaper,I'm in the process of doing a bare block casings rebuild for my car,and the miscellaneous parts alone I.e gaskets water pipes hoses brackets etc... Come in at over 3.5k alone.SJ.

XDevil666

I spent 3k in 3 days in Vegas.... Ouch!

Last time I went only spent £500 in a week but through that time I wouldn't like to think how much I won then lost lol

User 21721

As you are sticking to that power level the STi block is the best option price wise and even if it is a bit old it is not like you are going to be running it at its uppermost limits in terms of power. You are right on the limit with the gearbox so if your budget was around 5k then a forged rebuild + 6 speed could be an option.

A standard STi engine and gearbox will be fine btw no need a rebuilt one in your case.

Regards,

Subaru Collector 555.

blue_scooby187

I've found a builder that will rebuild it with STI v8 parts ie crank rods pistons 12mm oil pump and an excedy clutch for a budget of 2.5k is this roughly correct or is he pulling my **** flaps and am I about to be shafted again

Brun

Who is it?

mickywrx

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Who says your crank is knackered? More likely to be the bearings.

blue_scooby187

Jc autos in Basingstoke is that a good price yrs warranty 12k mileage as well I'm gonna ring extreme scooby in Essex on Monday to see what they can do! Thinking of having the engine built then save some more pennies for 6 speed conversion as a chap said earlier I'm on the limit the 5 speed can handle I won't be running any more than it is 346 it also has anti lag but I've heard this is not good for a vf34 turbo could the oil pump have failed? As lost pressure and kept stalling when got to roundabouts and was a bitch to start! Yes I know was wrong to drive home but had the right ump as only brought the car TODAY

Brun

You bought a fooked car today????

blue_scooby187

Was running sweet bloke took me out for like an hr been looked after by scooby clinic most it's life had 2k service with belts everything rear brakes in feb and was fine no noises nothing until 15 miles from home

ditchmyster

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Sorry guys but I think your giving the guy a bit of poor advice.

Most STI long/ short motors are going to be past the 60k mark so seen better days and as such are a bit of a short term fix and unknown quantity.

I'm in a similar situation with a wrx engine that has done around 105k needs a cambelt kit, clutch on the horizon, original turbo, water pump etc. etc, do I sink the best partof a grand into what will soon be a 120k engine or rebuild a new one?

My choice is a new forged engine by a reputable builder with refreshed heads so basically a new engine apart from casings.

Imo these engines are now at the point where they are old and tired and it's a gamble throwing £2k at a second hand hand STI all told, especially when another grand gets you a spanker (from a known proven builder) good for 50/ 60k miles before you spend another penny.

Gaskets, cambelt kits, oil pumps, water pumps, engine out, engine in all adds up to a big chunk of the cost even if you can do it yourself. There is mapping and mods to consider along with things like clutch, flywheel maybe a turbo change. This game isw not cheap and as sj said the little bits really mount up to become a significant part of the cost. Have you looked at the price of a full set of samco hoses, ******* eye watering.

If your going the whole hog and want some fresh engine mounts and a few bushes and a new fuel system **** me you need to start thinking about a re-mortgage and thats before suspension and brakes.

Sometime I truly think this modding thing is a mugs game.

blue_scooby187

Well I have a 3.5k limit is my crank casings likely to be knackered if so is this a new engine or will I get away with a rebuild or should I just strip it and sell the bits

ditchmyster

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If it's a wrx buddy you may as well weigh it in as it's worth **** all in parts.

So choice is throw a bag of cash at it sort it and make it a bad *** wagon or cut your loses and walk away.

blue_scooby187

It's got big k sport brakes and bc coil overs loads of other bits so might make some money back or will 3.5k get me a bad *** reliable engine

CutMasterT

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https://www.scoobynet.com/subaru-par...brand-new.html

not sure if this is correct for your car, but there are bargains to be had on here..

ditchmyster

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Iv'e been around a while and my advice would be to speak to the guy I spoke to.

Paul Finch @ Motors GT.

Your money, Your choice.

Alan Jeffery

Your budget is perfectly ok for a basic engine build, done by a professional, good enough for 350 bhp or so. The casings should be fine, as you caught it before the rod went out the top of the block!
These engines have limited bearing journal sizes, fine if they are tip top, but not once oil starts to leak out the sides. I used to run cars decades ago with the big ends noisy for six months or so, but the Impreza just goes "nope" and loses the plot in a single journey.
The quality of the work is the important thing, and just rolling the engine around a dirty garage floor isn't good enough. You need the proper cleaning equipment and the will to spend the time on it. Only genuine Subaru gaskets and seals are any good. A used crank is fine if measured up properly. Decent bearings of course (ACL). Forged pistons always, we use stress plates for boring and honing and go for wide skirt coated pistons for road cars. Stock heads and cams are fine, we install Cosibro thin wall guides for longevity.
Like anything else, a second hand engine is only as good as its condition. We rebuild Version 8 engines as well, so they don't last forever either!

Alan Jeffery

A few other things..

A 5 speed box is fine for 350 bhp. If it breaks, it's much cheaper to fix than buying a used six speed.

If the bearings are gone, so is the crank.

I'd never build an engine using second hand pistons.