Search Facility ??????
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Is the search ever going to work again ? I, along with loads of others would find it very helpful. Post a reply if you would like to see it working again, and hopefully the number of replies will help to encourage whoever has the responsibility to get the search operational again. to get all into gear.
So who all wants to see it working ????????
Cheers !
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So who all wants to see it working ????????
Cheers !
Ricky !
#2
We all do but there are problems with it which Simon (webmaster)
hasn't been able to fix or hasn't had the time involved with fixing it yet etc.. IMHO...
This question has been posted many times and if the search was working I could point you in the direction of webmasters responses
JGM
hasn't been able to fix or hasn't had the time involved with fixing it yet etc.. IMHO...
This question has been posted many times and if the search was working I could point you in the direction of webmasters responses
JGM
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The domand on the server while searching through a massive database like the one the BBS is huge, and would put the server under pressure and use quite a bit of bandwidth.
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if everyone is really wanting to see search come back then why dont the pledge money to buy either a better server, or another server and rackspace... and then get simon to possibly replicate the database nightly to another box and then search an offline database... (fair enough would be a day out of date but so?)
Ideas, Simon, would you care to comment.. this could also possibly provide space to upload files to as well???
David
Ideas, Simon, would you care to comment.. this could also possibly provide space to upload files to as well???
David
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Searching a massive db can be done although of course there's a cost.
I know Simon has invested a tremendous amount of effort into the software behind this BBS which I for one am very grateful for. However there are tried and tested off the shelf solutions which support larger BBSs than this and include search facilities. anandtech is the largest that I know of. Details of the software running anandtech can be found at here. The figures are scary - 92000 registered users, 1.2 million page views per day, 20 servers and 3 million messages in the db. Even with 20 servers anandtech has had problems with search performance. Recently they've disabled full text search but you can still search on a phrase. For $2.50 full text search is supported.
I know when I was buying my scoob, being able to search the scoobynet db was a great help and I miss it now. Maybe a modest subscription for a full search facility could be the way forward here.
[Edited by merlin - 6/11/2002 8:17:52 PM]
I know Simon has invested a tremendous amount of effort into the software behind this BBS which I for one am very grateful for. However there are tried and tested off the shelf solutions which support larger BBSs than this and include search facilities. anandtech is the largest that I know of. Details of the software running anandtech can be found at here. The figures are scary - 92000 registered users, 1.2 million page views per day, 20 servers and 3 million messages in the db. Even with 20 servers anandtech has had problems with search performance. Recently they've disabled full text search but you can still search on a phrase. For $2.50 full text search is supported.
I know when I was buying my scoob, being able to search the scoobynet db was a great help and I miss it now. Maybe a modest subscription for a full search facility could be the way forward here.
[Edited by merlin - 6/11/2002 8:17:52 PM]
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True, but you have got to ask about the pattern of use of a BBS search, and the truth is it doesn't have to be 100% accurate, it can take an age (by design - as you can read relevant threads whilst the search is ongoing).
Most searches will have repeating phrases (people look for similar things often) and most searches will be looking for well trafficed threads.
If you posted a search request and it worked overnight (block search in the quiet time) and emailed you a thread list that would be a step forwards, without a huge server hit.
Most searches will have repeating phrases (people look for similar things often) and most searches will be looking for well trafficed threads.
If you posted a search request and it worked overnight (block search in the quiet time) and emailed you a thread list that would be a step forwards, without a huge server hit.
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I think he's saying microsoft is a greedy format, or wotever the term is, without being slanderous etc so i think we can safely say so far that search aint guna happen kuz it needs huge resources So if u desperately need sumin time 4 da manual search or the joys of reposted questions
Si
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I don't remember all the ins and outs. But I do know that a lot of people spent a lot of time nailing down the cause that the main culprit seemed to be this 'feature' rather than Scoobynet.
The people who did the investigations really know their stuff and the issues was fully repeatable once it was understood what was going on. Unfortunatley there was(at the time, dunno now) no work around so search had to be taken down so scoobynet did'nt crash four times a day.
If search was working I could tell you the thread that explained it all, since it is'nt give simon a mail and ask him.
The people who did the investigations really know their stuff and the issues was fully repeatable once it was understood what was going on. Unfortunatley there was(at the time, dunno now) no work around so search had to be taken down so scoobynet did'nt crash four times a day.
If search was working I could tell you the thread that explained it all, since it is'nt give simon a mail and ask him.
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Would certainly be interested... I was under the impression that this ran on MySQL not something like SQL Server???
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I'd love to hear an official answer from SDB, search was one of the best features of Scoobynet IMHO, and it is badly missed.
One of the best selling points of Scoobynet is it's knowledge over many years, without search this is lost.
Personally I'd prefer things like VIP etc to be scrapped in order to get search working consistently.
regards,
greg
One of the best selling points of Scoobynet is it's knowledge over many years, without search this is lost.
Personally I'd prefer things like VIP etc to be scrapped in order to get search working consistently.
regards,
greg
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Incidentally.
The muppet forum's bandwidth is a small fraction of the scoobynet total. Getting rid of it would'nt bring search back, as if I recall correctly it's not a bandwidth or capacity issue, same goes for VIP lists.
If however you have any bright ideas, drop Simon an email(see above).
The muppet forum's bandwidth is a small fraction of the scoobynet total. Getting rid of it would'nt bring search back, as if I recall correctly it's not a bandwidth or capacity issue, same goes for VIP lists.
If however you have any bright ideas, drop Simon an email(see above).
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Neil. Gotcha.
I did mail Simon, and didn't hear anything. That's why I don't think it is a resourcing issue, but a technical one; One I want to understand, as being a sad programmer, I may hit the same problem soon...
I did mail Simon, and didn't hear anything. That's why I don't think it is a resourcing issue, but a technical one; One I want to understand, as being a sad programmer, I may hit the same problem soon...
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Anyhow, MrDeference, no, it was not an ISAPI problem. Can't say any more really, so would have to refer you to SDB as well.
</cringe>
Anyhow, MrDeference, no, it was not an ISAPI problem. Can't say any more really, so would have to refer you to SDB as well.
</cringe>
#24
LOL@MrDeference
My own personal opinion is that I'm Not sure publishnig scoobynet's inner workings is a good idea on a public BBS. Yours and others intentions may be honourable and wanting to help, but some others may not be. SN has suffered through denial of service attacks before and giving too much detail is just inviting such things again.
It's sad and should'nt be like that, but in the end it's Simons call. Hence me pointing suggestions to him, rather than me who does'nt know his ASP from his elbow.
My own personal opinion is that I'm Not sure publishnig scoobynet's inner workings is a good idea on a public BBS. Yours and others intentions may be honourable and wanting to help, but some others may not be. SN has suffered through denial of service attacks before and giving too much detail is just inviting such things again.
It's sad and should'nt be like that, but in the end it's Simons call. Hence me pointing suggestions to him, rather than me who does'nt know his ASP from his elbow.
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if anybody would be able to get it working MrDeference woudld... shame he would try and re-write in .net c# though..
David
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Hi All
A bit of background.
Theo put in a substantial ammount of his own time to test what was causing the bbs to hang every now and then. With the aid of a test tool which we ran on the server, he found it to be the search facility.
Because there was not the time right then, we switched to search facility off until a solution could be found.
I then did some research with the help of Theo and also Lee Christie and found out what the solution is (basically it was down to bad programming / database work on my part).
The only problem since then has been finding the time to impliment the solution.
Theo has offered tremendous support, but unfortunately it has not been possible from an adminitration point of view to impliment his solutions. We should all be grateful for his efforts though.
Shaun has been kicking my but lately to get search, the charity donations, and a couple of other things happening and as soon as I get back from greece, we are going to make it all happen.
Apologies for not having it up sooner, but rest assured this is only temporary and will be back up as soon as time allows.
All the best
Simon
A bit of background.
Theo put in a substantial ammount of his own time to test what was causing the bbs to hang every now and then. With the aid of a test tool which we ran on the server, he found it to be the search facility.
Because there was not the time right then, we switched to search facility off until a solution could be found.
I then did some research with the help of Theo and also Lee Christie and found out what the solution is (basically it was down to bad programming / database work on my part).
The only problem since then has been finding the time to impliment the solution.
Theo has offered tremendous support, but unfortunately it has not been possible from an adminitration point of view to impliment his solutions. We should all be grateful for his efforts though.
Shaun has been kicking my but lately to get search, the charity donations, and a couple of other things happening and as soon as I get back from greece, we are going to make it all happen.
Apologies for not having it up sooner, but rest assured this is only temporary and will be back up as soon as time allows.
All the best
Simon
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Cheers Simon.
Cleared that one up in one fell swoop.
I don't know what you do at the WRC, but am jealous. Enjoy the Acropolis...
And if you do fancy migrating the BBS to C# + SQL drop us a line
Cleared that one up in one fell swoop.
I don't know what you do at the WRC, but am jealous. Enjoy the Acropolis...
And if you do fancy migrating the BBS to C# + SQL drop us a line
#29
MrDeference
I meant to mention in my last message.. thank you very much for you input. I regret that I don't remember seeing your email, but it is possible I got it mid way through a rally where there don't seem to be enough milliseconds in a second to get everything done! deepest apologies.
All is going well here so far, thank you.
All the best
Simon
I meant to mention in my last message.. thank you very much for you input. I regret that I don't remember seeing your email, but it is possible I got it mid way through a rally where there don't seem to be enough milliseconds in a second to get everything done! deepest apologies.
All is going well here so far, thank you.
All the best
Simon
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I got it mid way through a rally where there don't seem to be enough milliseconds in a second to get everything done! deepest apologies.