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Old 23 March 2018 | 02:31 PM
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Default What are the cosmetic differences between a turbo 2000 and 22b, type ra or sti?

I really like the look of the 22b however I can't tell the main cosmetic differences between those and a turbo 2000.


I saw this turbo 2000 22b replica and it looks beautiful(seems very different to a turbo 2000):
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2000-SUBA...MAAOSwsTdas3Nu

when i look at turbo version they look big and bulky so I'm wondering why they look so different to the replica above.

The only things that are clear to me is that the front spoiler on a turbo is lower wit a pattern while the 22b spoiler in the link isnt. Also the gold wheels and blue colour are different.

1) If I get a 99/00 turbo and just change the colours and put the 22b bumper on will that give me the look in the link or do I are there other differences the cars look so different is it really down to 3 changes?

2) does turbo 2000 refer to the year of manufacture or is that the name of the model because I notice they come in 1999 aswell.do i need to get the 2000 model, are the dimensions different from the 99 turbo model?

3) comparing to the first link, i also notice the turbo 2000(https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1999-SUBA...QAAOSw145akY~f) bonnet has two circular boxes going down it, however the replica seems to have crosses going across while the turbo seems just black. whats he difference and do I have to get a 22b bumper or something to get that look? i dont mind too much about the bonnect scoop i dont think thats too different but those two scoops going down look different.

4) also i found the 22b bumper but its fiber glass, was the original 22b fiberglass i hate dealing with that.

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Old 23 March 2018 | 02:51 PM
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The car in the link is a turbo 2000. The number refers to engine size in cc (rounded up) and not the model year.
Facelift models from 97 (I think) on have the updated front bumper, lights, bonnet and grille.
The one in the link looks standard, other than wheels and fog light covers.

A 22b is a completely different kettle of fish, based on jdm type r bodyshell with widened wheelarches. This is a two door, whereas turbo 2000's are all four doors.
You can get a uk spec P1, which is two door but not that common and increasing in value.

The colour of the one in the link is either wr blue, or reddish blue, which is a colour available on a classic. Look up Subaru Impreza terzo for an idea.

Edit: skim read the listing, it's sonic blue.

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Silly hat on, just read a bit more.
Apparently it weighs three times less than a new age. Some by my maths the car weighs -2790kg

Must go like a fooking rocket
Old 23 March 2018 | 03:16 PM
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Sorry rowdy, if I want a an exact copy of the first link, what exactly should I do?

I think you are saying,
I need to buy any 94-00 turbo 2000,
paint it sonic blue and gold wheels,
put a 22b bumper, and bonnet and front grill, each of which I have to buy.

Anything else? Or was you saying there are 97-00 facelift models where all the body work changes have already been done and ill just need to paint it?
Well Ive been looking around and besides the one in the link i dont think ive seen any facelift models so maybe its better to buy and mod?
Old 23 March 2018 | 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by SpeedySpeedBoy
Sorry rowdy, if I want a an exact copy of the first link, what exactly should I do?

I think you are saying,
I need to buy any 94-00 turbo 2000,
paint it sonic blue and gold wheels,
put a 22b bumper, and bonnet and front grill, each of which I have to buy.

Anything else? Or was you saying there are 97-00 facelift models where all the body work changes have already been done and ill just need to paint it?
Well Ive been looking around and besides the one in the link i dont think ive seen any facelift models so maybe its better to buy and mod?
I'd be steering clear of the one in the link since the guy seems to think that a classic can do 200mph.
If you want an exact replica of the one in the link then you only need the front bumper, bonnet scoop, wheels and a respray. The front grill is different on a 22b and the vents on the bonnet are the wrong way.
If you want an exact copy of a 22B you would need to do all of the above that you listed, convert it to a 2 door somehow, make the rear arches wider and fit a 22B rear spoiler. Then there is the interior which you'll struggle to find.

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Exact replica of one in the link would be, find a terzo (right colour) or 97-2000 model in that colour (reddish blue is similar to sonic blue) as these models have the same bonnet, grille and rear mid level spoiler. Set of speed lines, or revolution do a very similar style for less money, and fit a replica 22b bumper, spot light covers, bonnet scoop. HT autos and the like sell these. In fact they sell whole 22b wide arch kit for four door but personally I don't like the wide arch four door look.

subarukits.com

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Old 23 March 2018 | 05:02 PM
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What's so special about the 4 door blue classic in the link then? Am I missing something? Is it the glamorous shot in front of the stately home that mates it worth another £2k on top of it's real value for a 125k mile car that somehow does 200mph?


I can understand the questions about converting to a 22B replica, but why would you want to make a classic exactly like the blue over-priced one in the link?


What am I missing here?
Old 23 March 2018 | 05:14 PM
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Originally Posted by BrownPantsRacing
What's so special about the 4 door blue classic in the link then? Am I missing something? Is it the glamorous shot in front of the stately home that mates it worth another £2k on top of it's real value for a 125k mile car that somehow does 200mph?


I can understand the questions about converting to a 22B replica, but why would you want to make a classic exactly like the blue over-priced one in the link?


What am I missing here?
The guys story is all over the place aswell. He spent years waiting for the wheels and front bumper but later on in the add he said he has only owned it since last year. Also been in to body shop 3 times for rear arches, subframe and rear suspension mounting.
Old 23 March 2018 | 05:33 PM
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MY99/00 UK cars never came in Sonic Blue wasnt an option - i only found this out recently on here (even though i owned one for 4years back in 2010)

there was a few 74f imported in via Ireland into N.Ireland supposedly and therefore reg'd and designated as UK cars

i do like the 22b bumper on it must admit. didnt think 22b came with a different scoop though?

wouldnt say its 4k car & previous mot's show its a case of eyes wide open regarding rot

https://cazana.com/uk/car/W104XGO
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AFAIK Scoobyclinic make 22B replicas for about 22k but don't quote me on the price.
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The car in the link has the 99 onward bumper and grille.
The wheels look aftermarket and it is carrying the standard UK 99 spoiler.
The aeriel position also makes me think this is pretty much a 99 UK car, as does the dash, with the larger speedo: the imports had the smaller speedo, larger rev-counter.

Pretty much the only thing WRC is the colour. It even has the split/fold rear seats.
Old 23 March 2018 | 10:25 PM
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I suspect the car in the link is a European import, which would explain the 74f colour.

looks like a standard my99/00 car (apart from the gold wheels/front bumper/pink badge...)

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Originally Posted by alcazar
The car in the link has the 99 onward bumper and grille.
The wheels look aftermarket and it is carrying the standard UK 99 spoiler.
The aeriel position also makes me think this is pretty much a 99 UK car, as does the dash, with the larger speedo: the imports had the smaller speedo, larger rev-counter.

Pretty much the only thing WRC is the colour. It even has the split/fold rear seats.
that is not a UK 99/00 front bumper.
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Here is a pic of my old one, you can see the difference in the front bumpers
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Old 24 March 2018 | 02:45 AM
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Originally Posted by BrownPantsRacing
What's so special about the 4 door blue classic in the link then? Am I missing something? Is it the glamorous shot in front of the stately home that mates it worth another £2k on top of it's real value for a 125k mile car that somehow does 200mph?


I can understand the questions about converting to a 22B replica, but why would you want to make a classic exactly like the blue over-priced one in the link?


What am I missing here?
I don't mind not having the 22b wide rear arches however what makes the link look so special are the colours, bonnet and bumper, so pretty and 22bish.

I agree sounds overpriced since this sell for 1.5-2.5k however based on my searches the sonic blue is hard to find so people are trying to charge at least a grand extra for the sonic blue ones. getting a non blue then spraying it would be significantly more. so seems he is trying to get an extra 2300 for colour and replica parts. Id imagine hed go 2k for those. I might be wrong in my market assessment, how much do you think this is worth?
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Did you read the previous mot info on it? It sounds like it's succumbed to rot like every other classic so if on inspection it's that bad then it's literally a 1500-2k car as said.

I sold mine for 1700 (with 105k on it ) it was 100% mechanically and had good history but was in serious need of welding work at time although it looked grand from outside

I'm pretty certain there was an optional OEM 22b style bumper available for v6 sti type r's but I would doubt that one is a genuine one as it cost a lot

Also, the passenger door on that car on eBay looks a slight different colour of blue so I would say it's seen paint also

Would be a nice project if you got it for decent money..circa 2k
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Originally Posted by Gambit
Did you read the previous mot info on it? It sounds like it's succumbed to rot like every other classic so if on inspection it's that bad then it's literally a 1500-2k car as said.
I don't know much about rust. It says he got the rust re[aired for 499 so doesn't that mean it's no longer an issue, or once rust has appeared does that mean it will forever be a recurring theme?

How much should I expect to spend on a car over time if it has rust, a little rust or a lot. What is considered a little, just a bit on the arches?

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Old 24 March 2018 | 04:35 PM
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Rust repaired for 499? This is typical of the rot on the rear of them and it's not a 499 job to repair

https://www.scoobynet.com/scoobynet-...he-arches.html

If you are serious about the car take someone who knows what to look for regarding rot on classic subarus
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IF it IS a non-JDM Turbo 2000 (or GT Turbo), then it...

- Is in the rare 74F Sonic Blue(!?!)
- Has a replica 22B front bumper (I think it's narrower, to suit a regular GC8?)
- Has MY97-00 JDM rear light clusters
- Has a Bugeye STi TMIC bonnet scoop
- Has a JDM STi cerise 'stars' front grille badge
- Has the Speedline ST2 wheels

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just for completeness..........
Originally Posted by speedyspeedboy
2) does turbo 2000 refer to the year of manufacture or is that the name of the model
The classic (G10) saloon bodied (GC) 2L turbo (8) model was marketed in the UK as the Turbo 2000. In Europe it was known as the GT while in Australia it was the WRX
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