Not bad for the old scooby
19 May 2021, 02:30 PM
#2
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When you said old scooby there was me thinking classic. Now I feel old lol.
Such a shame we have idiots running Subaru UK.
Such a shame we have idiots running Subaru UK.
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19 May 2021, 03:47 PM
#4
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I always fail to understand comments like this.
Subaru UK, not being a manufacturer, only an importer of cars, can only supply what is available from the Japanese Factory that complies with UK/European legislation/emissions and at a price and quantity they can actually sell.
Why are they idiots and where have they lost the plot ??
19 May 2021, 04:55 PM
#6
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https://hondanews.eu/eu/en/corporate...r-swindon-site
Your laying the blame at the wrong door - what has Subaru UK got to do with "addressing the emissions problem" ??
Subaru JAPAN manufacture all the cars (apart from some North American models) and have said that they won't move away from the boxer engine configuration which is the basic crux of the problem.
https://itstillruns.com/subarus-manu...d-7164803.html
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19 May 2021, 05:02 PM
#7
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Let me explain my point of view 
Marketing is basically 0. If they wanted to they could talk to Subaru Japan and change the specs for the market, look at the USA with the S209. Subaru, not just the impreza sell like hot cakes. I look at the cars out there vs the ones we get here and they really don't look the same.
If you can pass California regs then Europe shouldn't be much of a stretch. Isn't the FA engine better on emissions and thats a boxer engine.
Don I don't know your experience with subaru, you might have different insights then me. What I'm looking at is what other markets and industries have done. Think back to Windows xp days, they dominated the market for many years and because of the CEO at the time he thought we are so far ahead no need to innovate or do anything else. Look what happened, MacOS crept right up and then they had to scramble to get a new OS out. I've seen it in companies I have worked for no need to innovate or change because we are making money and directors are getting their bonuses.
The technology is out there they just don't want to make the changes to comply.
Marketing is basically 0. If they wanted to they could talk to Subaru Japan and change the specs for the market, look at the USA with the S209. Subaru, not just the impreza sell like hot cakes. I look at the cars out there vs the ones we get here and they really don't look the same.
If you can pass California regs then Europe shouldn't be much of a stretch. Isn't the FA engine better on emissions and thats a boxer engine.
Don I don't know your experience with subaru, you might have different insights then me
. What I'm looking at is what other markets and industries have done. Think back to Windows xp days, they dominated the market for many years and because of the CEO at the time he thought we are so far ahead no need to innovate or do anything else. Look what happened, MacOS crept right up and then they had to scramble to get a new OS out. I've seen it in companies I have worked for no need to innovate or change because we are making money and directors are getting their bonuses.The technology is out there they just don't want to make the changes to comply.
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19 May 2021, 05:03 PM
#8
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I think they can do better. I don't know how but then I'm not being paid £ millions to run their company 
19 May 2021, 07:14 PM
#11
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Let me explain my point of view
Marketing is basically 0. If they wanted to they could talk to Subaru Japan and change the specs for the market, look at the USA with the S209. Subaru, not just the impreza sell like hot cakes. I look at the cars out there vs the ones we get here and they really don't look the same.
If you can pass California regs then Europe shouldn't be much of a stretch. Isn't the FA engine better on emissions and thats a boxer engine.
Don I don't know your experience with subaru, you might have different insights then me. What I'm looking at is what other markets and industries have done. Think back to Windows xp days, they dominated the market for many years and because of the CEO at the time he thought we are so far ahead no need to innovate or do anything else. Look what happened, MacOS crept right up and then they had to scramble to get a new OS out. I've seen it in companies I have worked for no need to innovate or change because we are making money and directors are getting their bonuses.
The technology is out there they just don't want to make the changes to comply.
Marketing is basically 0. If they wanted to they could talk to Subaru Japan and change the specs for the market, look at the USA with the S209. Subaru, not just the impreza sell like hot cakes. I look at the cars out there vs the ones we get here and they really don't look the same.
If you can pass California regs then Europe shouldn't be much of a stretch. Isn't the FA engine better on emissions and thats a boxer engine.
Don I don't know your experience with subaru, you might have different insights then me
. What I'm looking at is what other markets and industries have done. Think back to Windows xp days, they dominated the market for many years and because of the CEO at the time he thought we are so far ahead no need to innovate or do anything else. Look what happened, MacOS crept right up and then they had to scramble to get a new OS out. I've seen it in companies I have worked for no need to innovate or change because we are making money and directors are getting their bonuses.The technology is out there they just don't want to make the changes to comply.
What you are implying is that the UK market is big enough to influence Japan's marketing/manufacturing strategies, which it clearly isn't and probably never has been.
The last WRX and WRX STI is currently not in production anywhere.
Japan kept the EJ20/25 models going for as long as viable, with Australia supply running/run out (Euro 5) and the S209 was a special, very limited edition, end of line, "hand built by STI" model for the USA celebrating the not so long ago arrival of STI into the US.
and at a whopping US$ 63.995 ( about £50.000 at the time)
https://www.evo.co.uk/subaru/wrx-sti...cing-announced
The FA engine is also a boxer but over square and so far has not been developed/capable of producing the same power as the old now extinct EJ motors with reduced emissions suitable for Europe.
It is/was used in the last of the WRX models matched to a CVT box.
I look at the cars out there vs the ones we get here and they really don't look the same.
UK cars were/are built/specced to a price that Subaru UK thought they could sell them for, and make a profit, and they seem to be doing that with the models they currently sell.
I seriously doubt Subaru UK's MD is being paid millions.
20 May 2021, 05:15 PM
#13
Prefer a classic Impreza over both actually, but if I were forced to replace it with a new car I’d take a 1,280 kgs Yaris over a 1,580 kgs WRX STi.
ETA: Only one of these cars has captured the imagination of hardcore driving enthusiasts and is re-defining its category by confidently pushing the boundaries of what people thought possible. That’s what Subaru used to do, once upon a time.
ETA: Only one of these cars has captured the imagination of hardcore driving enthusiasts and is re-defining its category by confidently pushing the boundaries of what people thought possible. That’s what Subaru used to do, once upon a time.
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20 May 2021, 07:19 PM
#14
I understand what you're saying. But I still couldn't bring myself to own a Yaris over an Impreza.
Originally Posted by plenty
Prefer a classic Impreza over both actually, but if I were forced to replace it with a new car I’d take a 1,280 kgs Yaris over a 1,580 kgs WRX STi.
ETA: Only one of these cars has captured the imagination of hardcore driving enthusiasts and is re-defining its category by confidently pushing the boundaries of what people thought possible. That’s what Subaru used to do, once upon a time.
ETA: Only one of these cars has captured the imagination of hardcore driving enthusiasts and is re-defining its category by confidently pushing the boundaries of what people thought possible. That’s what Subaru used to do, once upon a time.
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