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Old 27 October 2021 | 12:03 PM
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I have owned my WRX for almost 16 years now and it is just a couple of hundred miles off hitting 100,000.

So this got me thinking, what is considered high mileage these days? I am curious to find out how many of us are running high mileage, not that I consider 100,000 miles as high in a modern car.

I am quite interested in those with a 2.5 as well, considering the doom and gloom brigade keep suggesting they are chocolate but mine is still solid at 100k.
I guess the only rule on this one would be miles on the original engine without any rebuilds etc, it would be cheating otherwise.

So what have you got?
Old 27 October 2021 | 01:26 PM
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I had an old cavalier gsi 2000 with the c20xe redtop in it with 190k on it and that ran like clock work.
my current jeep grand cherokee 3.0 v6 diesel has 148k on the clock and runs like clockwork.
high mileage doesn't bother me at all,I buy cars based on their condition and paperwork present ie receipts etc.
Old 27 October 2021 | 01:46 PM
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My 03 wagon made it to about 145k before it shat its pants, now currently being rebuilt into a 2.1 stroker cos why not. Other than the engine blowing up, it's in fairly decent nick, needs the rear arches doing but the rest is solid. My 54 plate 1.9tdi Polo daily is on about the same mileage, but since those engines are almost bulletproof I don't consider it high mileage on that, but I do kinda consider the mileage on the wagon quite high. I know that completely doesn't make sense at all lol
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Yeah I do think the car the miles are on can make a difference to it being high miles or not.

I have no intention of changing mine so one day it will hit that point it will need a rebuild I'm sure, but that feels like an inevitable situation with any scooby.
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My 2004 WRX is approaching 100,000 but if hope it will last at least another 40-50,000

I also have a, garaged, Peugeot 205 gti that is on 125,000. I'm very surprised it's lasted so well on the original engine, although I'm hoping to do a full rebuild, time permitting. Either that or it will be sold to someone who has the time to restore it.
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178k on my old WRX wagon, although it was very tire by that point. I did 120k to 160k in a year without any issue.

Anything over 150k I'd regard as high miles (on a Subaru anyway). Depending whether the miles were on a m-way or town driving though. 200k+ is nothing special in the US though. Depends how they have been drive and maintained.
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198k miles on a 2004 Fsti , 2.5 engine rebuilt around 90k miles and is still running fine , it was rust that made me scrap it , it was repairable rust wise , but needed a costly job to do it properly , very little went wrong in that time , gearbox and diff were fine , i did a few arb links an 02 sensor and got a drivers door window motor repaired for 5£ , kept on top of servicing , so bought a new one well three new ones 😂😂 , i’m not trying to get into a debate but i much prefer a 2.5 v a 2 litre , preferably a forged 2.5 with arp head bolts , i have driven both my previous one was a 2 litre jdm sti wagon , which i did like but sold it to get another Fsti
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I don't want to start a debate either, but I have driven both the 2.0 and own the 2.5 and they drive quite differently in favour of the 2.5. Its the low end torque that makes it drive so well, you can tootle at 35mph in 5th and it just burbles along happily.

Anyway I live in hope that I will get at least another 30k before any rebuild is needed. It's very well maintained and conservatively mapped as well as being driven with mechanical sympathy all its life. Rust is still kept at bay as well since its been garaged for the first 13 years of its life.

I have given it it's best chance of a long life I hope....
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engine failures can be quite random , i heard if you get past 80 to 90 k miles then it should be good for longer 130k or so, some have much high mileage and running spot on , too much power , for me i’m running at 330 to 340 bhp , a bad map lack of servicing not warning up cooling down often increase the risk of failure , i’m realistic i expect out of the 3 2.5 sti i have one will break , i have a spare engine in the garage , get it swapped then get the broken engine re built , still like the car 👍😁
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Another here that doesn't want the debate, I have had a 04 WRX Wagon of 2.0 flavour and currently have an 07 WRX wagon in 2.5. 2.0 WRX I sold with 140k on the clock, never had an issue, 2.5 currently just turned 90k (slightly breathed on, 350bhp), I prefer the 2.5 although thinking about it now it's a bit of a crap comparison as the 2.0 was standard
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engine failures can be quite random , i heard if you get past 80 to 90 k miles then it should be good for longer 130k or so, some have much high mileage and running spot on , too much power , for me i’m running at 330 to 340 bhp , a bad map lack of servicing not warning up cooling down often increase the risk of failure , i’m realistic i expect out of the 3 2.5 sti i have one will break , i have a spare engine in the garage , get it swapped then get the broken engine re built , still like the car 👍😁
Yeah I have heard similar, apparently the oil pump is a common fail point around 90k so I had that changed last year along with all the belts, water pump etc. I am really not looking forward to the big bill when it comes, but the car is a labour of love and hopefully, it will begin to go up in value if I keep it in tip top shape.
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Originally Posted by scooobydont
Another here that doesn't want the debate, I have had a 04 WRX Wagon of 2.0 flavour and currently have an 07 WRX wagon in 2.5. 2.0 WRX I sold with 140k on the clock, never had an issue, 2.5 currently just turned 90k (slightly breathed on, 350bhp), I prefer the 2.5 although thinking about it now it's a bit of a crap comparison as the 2.0 was standard
What have you done to get 350hp? Mine is running just under 300hp just to be on the safe side. To be honest, its plenty powerful enough on the road and the car doesn't see a track.
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Here in Finland you'll hardly find Scoobie (or Evo) from the early / mid 2000's ... ermh ... 2000 -> 2006, 2007 etc. with so few miles on the odometer. I'd say average reading is near or over 200k km which is around 125k miles. Even newer ones, Evo 9 / 10 or HB STI / sedan STI's are driven well over 100k miles.

Here any normal family sedan / estate is driven 15-20-30k km per year (10-19k miles), diesel ones much more.

I personally recently found a '05 STI with 82k km (51k miles) at the odometer and that's kind of "barn find" around here. They practically doesn't exists here. So I bought it instantly, over the phone, sight unseen. Last year there was one at our local "Autotrader" with 106k km (66k miles) and even that is) remarkable low odometer reading. I have a active "search agent" for certain cars / models / model years / odometer reading and I can say that I've followed the market for a quite some time now.
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The oil pump failure is probably very very low in relation to to how many cars are out there that are fine , i’m pretty certain even at 198k the oil pump was never changed , same as the water pump not being changed , the area where things can go wrong is the oil pick up pipe , again not a common failure in the big picture of how many cars made , the pipe cracks , there is little you can do about it , only warning is first start up oil pressure is slow so light can flicker , of all the scobbies i have had it’s not been an issue , the bit i would change would be tensioner and cam belt at the same time , lots of other car makes have faults , scooby has relativity few issues 👍😁
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Originally Posted by evil.soup
Yeah I have heard similar, apparently the oil pump is a common fail point around 90k so I had that changed last year along with all the belts, water pump etc. I am really not looking forward to the big bill when it comes, but the car is a labour of love and hopefully, it will begin to go up in value if I keep it in tip top shape.
would be intrigued who told you that as the oil pumps are very rare to cause issues.............
wouldn't have happened to be someone selling you one by chance??
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would be intrigued who told you that as the oil pumps are very rare to cause issues.............
wouldn't have happened to be someone selling you one by chance??
Lol no not a sales pitch, I was just chatting to an ex-Subaru main dealer mechanic and asked what are common fail points. He said the oil pump was one of the more common issues at around 90k. At the time my car was on more like 70k and he wouldn't benefit from telling me that so he had no reason to lie about it, who knows really....

As VXR says, I think the numbers of fails are not as massive as the press and others would have us believe and considering the numbers sold, probably not a massive % either.
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Originally Posted by evil.soup
What have you done to get 350hp? Mine is running just under 300hp just to be on the safe side. To be honest, its plenty powerful enough on the road and the car doesn't see a track.
Was all done by the pervious owner, I just maintain it:

https://www.scoobynet.com/members-ga...wkeye-wrx.html
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My 2003 blob wrx just turned 48k … hopefully get to 50k next year
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My dads Caviler SRI was scrapped at 250,000 miles, engine was fine but body was done for. Used a fair bit of oil though.

His gl lasted till 200,000.

His m reg CDX got sold off at 80,000 due to so many electrical issues.


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I had an old cavalier gsi 2000 with the c20xe redtop in it with 190k on it and that ran like clock work.
my current jeep grand cherokee 3.0 v6 diesel has 148k on the clock and runs like clockwork.
high mileage doesn't bother me at all,I buy cars based on their condition and paperwork present ie receipts etc.
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Originally Posted by Vxr2010
The oil pump failure is probably very very low in relation to to how many cars are out there that are fine , i’m pretty certain even at 198k the oil pump was never changed , same as the water pump not being changed , the area where things can go wrong is the oil pick up pipe , again not a common failure in the big picture of how many cars made , the pipe cracks , there is little you can do about it , only warning is first start up oil pressure is slow so light can flicker , of all the scobbies i have had it’s not been an issue , the bit i would change would be tensioner and cam belt at the same time , lots of other car makes have faults , scooby has relativity few issues 👍😁
Ah yes, the good old oil pick up pipe. I had this after a fresh build which also included a new block as mine let go on cylinder 1.

My fear was when the pick up pipe was cracked is the possible damage to my fresh 2.5 STi build, but touch wood it's all ok. Oil pump was also changed on the same day for good measure, and luckily no grey sludge when the oil / filter was also changed. The crack on the pick up was perhaps not quite half way round.....close call. The pick up had done 85k miles by the way.

I should've gone Killer Bee thinking about it, but didn't.
Hope my turbo or any other parts haven't had their life shortened. On start up I was getting a sluggish oil pressure light / flickering for up to 10 seconds. Never saw it flicker after start-up, or going round bends etc.

Another Subaru flaw where Subaru will say there isn't a problem.

Oil pressure light now goes out before it's even fired up. However, having a block let go, then the pick up pipe cling on for dear life, it somewhat adds to the "Subaru paranoia" experience.

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pick-up pipes failures in our experience relate to a specific age / timescale and are not a generic issue even though certain re-sellers try and tell you otherwise.........
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It's going back a bit, but I had a Legacy with the EJ22, 220000 miles on it when I got rid of it, and still going strong.
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pick-up pipes failures in our experience relate to a specific age / timescale and are not a generic issue even though certain re-sellers try and tell you otherwise.........
So is the pick up pipe something worth changing at the next service? I'm guessing it's not a major job, but I could be wrong?
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It's going back a bit, but I had a Legacy with the EJ22, 220000 miles on it when I got rid of it, and still going strong.
Well if mine gets to that I will be a very happy man!!
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the pick up pipe is a intercooler off , remove a rear engine support , un do both engine mounts , jack engine up a bit , then sump off , change part , then refit plus fresh oil , so it’s not a straight forward job 👍 so in simple not that easy and is it worth doing on a service i’m thinking no
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Non turbo i'm guessing? You will most likely see non turbo's lasting alot longer as tend to not get as thrashed as turbo models, and the turbo puts alot more pressure on the engine.


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It's going back a bit, but I had a Legacy with the EJ22, 220000 miles on it when I got rid of it, and still going strong.
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Non turbo i'm guessing? You will most likely see non turbo's lasting alot longer as tend to not get as thrashed as turbo models, and the turbo puts alot more pressure on the engine.
Yep, non turbo, non maintenance either, you just couldn't kill that thing, and if you did, it wouldn't stay dead, top car.
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Originally Posted by Vxr2010
the pick up pipe is a intercooler off , remove a rear engine support , un do both engine mounts , jack engine up a bit , then sump off , change part , then refit plus fresh oil , so it’s not a straight forward job 👍 so in simple not that easy and is it worth doing on a service i’m thinking no
Ah well that sounds like a bit of a pig to do, thanks for the info.
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my my01 bugeye did over 232,000 before it blew a headgasket. on original engine 2 clutches and one gearbox... it was a sad day when I sold it for scrap :-(
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my my01 bugeye did over 232,000 before it blew a headgasket. on original engine 2 clutches and one gearbox... it was a sad day when I sold it for scrap :-(
Now that is quite impressive!


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