Speed cameras, case for selective persecution?
29 June 2001, 08:25 AM
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Hiya guys 
I was wondering this morning, is there a potential case for speed cameras to be submitted to the EU human rights type people.
(You know those who say everyone has to be treated identically and cant be persecuted or treated badly for a certain reason).
Well speed cameras are selective and discriminatory when in use!
How, well take a dual at 70mph, and say they have the camera set at 80mph. A car with an acceptable speed of 70mph would have to exceed the limit by 14% to get caught, but a lorry with an allowed speed of 60mph would have to exceed by 33%! to get caught.
Surely this is discriminatory!?
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robski
I was wondering this morning, is there a potential case for speed cameras to be submitted to the EU human rights type people.
(You know those who say everyone has to be treated identically and cant be persecuted or treated badly for a certain reason).
Well speed cameras are selective and discriminatory when in use!
How, well take a dual at 70mph, and say they have the camera set at 80mph. A car with an acceptable speed of 70mph would have to exceed the limit by 14% to get caught, but a lorry with an allowed speed of 60mph would have to exceed by 33%! to get caught.
Surely this is discriminatory!?
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robski
29 June 2001, 08:36 AM
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I doubt if we will be lucky enough for this to work, but as another example;
Forward facing cameras discriminate against cars (with front number plates) in favour of motorcycles. However, the EU are on to this one, and a trying to bring back front number plates on motorcycles (although I think they are suggesting they face the direction of travel rather than the old bacon slicer style!
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I doubt if we will be lucky enough for this to work, but as another example;
Forward facing cameras discriminate against cars (with front number plates) in favour of motorcycles. However, the EU are on to this one, and a trying to bring back front number plates on motorcycles (although I think they are suggesting they face the direction of travel rather than the old bacon slicer style!
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29 June 2001, 08:39 AM
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I also have a strong suspicion that the new cameras that read number plates, can't read all the different styles that are used throughout the EU, and therefore discriminate against British motorists in favour of European visitors.
Isn't that discriminatory too?
Andy.
Isn't that discriminatory too?
Andy.
29 June 2001, 09:16 AM
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:<HR>Originally posted by robski:
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How, well take a dual at 70mph, and say they have the camera set at 80mph. A car with an acceptable speed of 70mph would have to exceed the limit by 14% to get caught, but a lorry with an allowed speed of 60mph would have to exceed by 33%! to get caught.
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Speed cameras can differentiate between different vehicles, and even trigger at different speeds for different vehicles.
IE roadwork Gatsos are normally set at 55 for trucks and 60/65 for cars! - watch out Impreza Wagon drivers
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How, well take a dual at 70mph, and say they have the camera set at 80mph. A car with an acceptable speed of 70mph would have to exceed the limit by 14% to get caught, but a lorry with an allowed speed of 60mph would have to exceed by 33%! to get caught.
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Speed cameras can differentiate between different vehicles, and even trigger at different speeds for different vehicles.
IE roadwork Gatsos are normally set at 55 for trucks and 60/65 for cars! - watch out Impreza Wagon drivers
29 June 2001, 01:42 PM
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I was once told that Gatsos differentiate between types of vehicle on height although it would be much simpler for them to differentiate on length (and they are simple )
Talking about everyone being treated the same, have you ever heard of ANY motorist asking for, and/or being given, a caution for a first-ever speeding offence? Your average thug-in-the-street probably gets a caution every week at no personal cost, yet your average driver caught over the speed limit has to cough up 60 quid and gets 3 points nearer losing his livelihood. Doesn't sound fair to me ....
)Talking about everyone being treated the same, have you ever heard of ANY motorist asking for, and/or being given, a caution for a first-ever speeding offence? Your average thug-in-the-street probably gets a caution every week at no personal cost, yet your average driver caught over the speed limit has to cough up 60 quid and gets 3 points nearer losing his livelihood. Doesn't sound fair to me ....
29 June 2001, 01:56 PM
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:<HR>Originally posted by robski:
<B>how do they differentiate!?
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Buggered if I know??
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:<HR>Originally posted by robski:
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ok then smart **** can it tell the difference between a car with a trailer and one without?
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Dunno - but if it can tell when a car has a caravan - do you think they could be armed with a heat seeking misile?
<B>how do they differentiate!?
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Buggered if I know??
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:<HR>Originally posted by robski:
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ok then smart ****
can it tell the difference between a car with a trailer and one without?robski[/quote]
Dunno - but if it can tell when a car has a caravan - do you think they could be armed with a heat seeking misile?
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29 June 2001, 04:23 PM
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Works like this....The Gatso camera can tell the difference between different size vehicles by the amount of radar energy returned, so a lower threshold can be set for large goods vehicles and coaches.
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29 June 2001, 09:18 PM
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:<HR>Originally posted by robski:
<B>how do they differentiate!?
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robski,
spot on!!
So, a radar gatso can tell it your GVW is over a certain tonnage - my ****! Or maybe an A14 Truvello can instantly determine your driving licence categories - MA again!
Bring back Dixon of Dock Green!
mb
<B>how do they differentiate!?
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robski,
spot on!!
So, a radar gatso can tell it your GVW is over a certain tonnage - my ****! Or maybe an A14 Truvello can instantly determine your driving licence categories - MA again!
Bring back Dixon of Dock Green!
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30 June 2001, 11:23 AM
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robski,
i just noticed a slight error in your argument!
The maximum speed of an HGV on a dual-carriageway is FIFTY miles per hour, and not sixty.
Thus the discrimination is even worst
mb
i just noticed a slight error in your argument!
The maximum speed of an HGV on a dual-carriageway is FIFTY miles per hour, and not sixty.
Thus the discrimination is even worst
mb
01 July 2001, 08:42 AM
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:<HR>Originally posted by rogermcb:
<B>If like me you are sick of being persecuted as a motorist, then consider joining the ABD, who do sterling work on behalf of the motorist. Check them out at
<B>If like me you are sick of being persecuted as a motorist, then consider joining the ABD, who do sterling work on behalf of the motorist. Check them out at
01 July 2001, 10:10 AM
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Gary,
for a start, the ABD help re-balance the propaganda from Transport 2000 and other car-hating groups. Check out their web-site, in particular the press releases!
mb (an ABD member)
for a start, the ABD help re-balance the propaganda from Transport 2000 and other car-hating groups. Check out their web-site, in particular the press releases!
mb (an ABD member)
02 July 2001, 08:12 AM
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:<HR>Originally posted by boomer:
<B>Gary,
for a start, the ABD help re-balance the propaganda from Transport 2000 and other car-hating groups. Check out their web-site, in particular the press releases!
mb (an ABD member)[/quote]
Looked at website many times, yes they are very 'pro-car' (which is good ) but what do they do apart from release a load of press releases? and produce a newsletter, the content of which is available on the various 'speedtrap' websites etc??
They never seem to be quoted in/on anything notable, if they are a lobbying body - they don't get much (any?) success/results? How and to who are they 're-dressing the balance'?
Not specifically criticising, nor trying to pick fault - I'm all in favour of joining such action groups, but can't see what the 'action' is?? what the benefit is or even what they do?
At £15 per member, and presumably 1000's (10000's?) of members, it seems lot of money for an organisation that simply issues a load of press releases??
Perhaps I aught to start my own 'pro-car' action group. "Campaign Against Speed Haters". Few dozen press releases a month, couple of letters in car mags and lobby my MP once a month. Special introductory price of £10 per year, cheques payable to "Campaign Against Speed Haters" - or C.A.S.H for short
<B>Gary,
for a start, the ABD help re-balance the propaganda from Transport 2000 and other car-hating groups. Check out their web-site, in particular the press releases!
mb (an ABD member)[/quote]
Looked at website many times, yes they are very 'pro-car' (which is good
) but what do they do apart from release a load of press releases? and produce a newsletter, the content of which is available on the various 'speedtrap' websites etc?? They never seem to be quoted in/on anything notable, if they are a lobbying body - they don't get much (any?) success/results? How and to who are they 're-dressing the balance'?
Not specifically criticising, nor trying to pick fault - I'm all in favour of joining such action groups, but can't see what the 'action' is?? what the benefit is or even what they do?
At £15 per member, and presumably 1000's (10000's?) of members, it seems lot of money for an organisation that simply issues a load of press releases??Perhaps I aught to start my own 'pro-car' action group. "Campaign Against Speed Haters". Few dozen press releases a month, couple of letters in car mags and lobby my MP once a month. Special introductory price of £10 per year, cheques payable to "Campaign Against Speed Haters" - or C.A.S.H for short
02 July 2001, 10:28 AM
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No flashy name, Just an action group dedicated to the ritual burning down of every speed camera there is. Happily become a mamber of that. Remember these things cost 30000 ponds to put up so if they are burnt enough times then they wont be able to afford to put em up anymore. Then they might spend some money on solving proper crime like theft, mugging, rape, murder etc.... 
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