A email on the Association of British Driver's mailing list claimed that the new rates of Road Tax would be as follows (to be announced in the March budget) the source was a publication entitled 'Business Car'. Would 'New' Labour be brave enough to bring these charges in? (Let's hope not).

New Cars
CO2 Emissions
Below 135g/KM (merc A170) £100
136-180g/km (focus 1.6) £175
181-240 (Mondeo 1.8) £250
240 plus (S type Jag 3.0 ) ?

Engine Size
Below 1100cc £100
1101-1600 £175
1601-2200 £250
2200plus £475 !

According to the DETR website a Subaru Impreza Turbo produces 239g/km of CO2.

Up the Revolution, Taxation is Theft etc.

 

Dunno what you guys are whinging about, just think of us poor 3-litre owners.

 

I dont understand why they cant just add a fraction of a penny per litre to petrol and scrap the road tax all together ? then the more petrol you use, the more tax you pay ? the big advantage is, no-one will be able to not pay road tax then ?????? if the car is stored you only pay for when its on the road etc etc, is this me being incredibly dumb/naive, or does anybody else think this is a better idea ????? I mean we pay 80+% tax on petrol as it is, another .5p a litre wouldnt make that much difference to a tank of petrol, would it ?????

Sorry rant over

 

another 5 pence?? give me a break, we pay 80 odd percent to the govt, how much more money are they trying to screw out of us motorists??? this is becoming a nonsence, proposed tax on digital tv, tax on biscuits junk food, what will it be next?? tax on human life?? pay us £1000 a year and well let you live other wise we`ll kill you, or put you in prison! what is this country coming to??

 

No, not 5 pence yunus .5pence or half a pence. I agree Ian, it has been proposed to the government before but they just didnt go for it. It must work out worse for them financially otherwise Im sure it would be that way already.

Stupot

 

I may be wrong, but I think I remember a budget many years back (early nineties?) when petrol prices were increased so that car tax could be abolished in a future budget. It seems that the second part of this policy never quite made it! Shame really, this really would be the fairest method of vehicle taxation and so easy to administer. However, with the massive reduction in admin it would it lead to job cuts in post offices! There is also a point that those in power would make that the routine of producing your licence and MOT to a grumpy clerk once a year to get your tax proves that all cars on the road are safe and insured! Any other ideas?

 

In the States they have stickers on number plates but i am not sure what they mean exactly, i know they have to be renewed yearly though ?

Perhaps when the car is MOT'd they can check the insurance and put a sticker on the car ???? another dumb idea but hey im on a roll

And yes Yunus read it carefully i said .5 of a penny not 5p, i am not completely deranged

 

you could still produce your regestration, mot and insurance every year as proof you are driving legaly and still have the tax price on petrol.

 

Hi,

People who live in the countryside or a long way from their work might argue that they would end up paying an unfair share of the tax burden. The current system is a balance of the conflicting needs of people who would prefer direct taxation (usually high milleage motorists) against those who do little mileage and would rather 'pay as they go'. Basically you can't please everybody (well ok - you could by removing all motoring taxes, at least until the schools and hospitals have to close )

As has been pointed out above, the current system also ensures that a valid MOT certificate and insurance document were produced at the time of issue. I'm sure these could be easily replaced by windscreen stickers to show that an MOT has been passed, which would be issued on production of a insurance cover note covering the same period.

Have a look at the ABD website (http://www.abd.org.uk). Click on the 'government policy' button, and look for their consultation on graduated vehicle excise duty for more info.

Cheers,

Alex

P.S. from the figures quoted above, it is interesting to notice that only one band (the bottom) is cheaper than the existing non discounted rate!.

[This message has been edited by AlexM (edited 08-02-2000).]

 

well I dont think Im totally against the idea to be honest...after all, the government SHOULD be encouraging people to stop driving as much or to use cars which produce lower emissions....I am totally against the size of the tax though.

I think Ians idea is great. So you live a long way from work? Usually your own choice....(waits to get flamed) Lets face it, at the moment its a case of 'Ive paid for it, I might as well use it. That idea might decrease the school run traffic? hopeful I know...

Night

p.s. Beef...combined eninge capacity....14.4l

p.p.s On another subject, I see the government are considering increasing the age you can get a licence to 18. No mention of changing the test to actually make them more capable though....bloody typical

 

Ian
You are absolutely right. It is so simple Prescott's cretins will never introduce it because it would be even more obvious how much we are being screwed.

Replace current tax disc with insurance certificate displayed in same manner(offence not to display). Then we'd all know who is driving around uninsured as well.

To get insurance evidence of current MOT required.

Seems fair to me . The more you use the roads the more you pay.

Cheers J

 

I'm with you too Ian, then the Scum that dont currently bother paying car tax would be forced to pay their share too. Shame it wont happen then.

 

To add to DocJoc's comments I suggested to the DETR doing just that for insurance, and for MOT changing to a tax disc sized certificate.
advantages would be zero cost to government for Insurance disc. One off redesign cost for MOT disc (low as they already redisign it every few years)

Sent long email to DETR got back long email that managed to say almost nothing in 2000 words

Reading between the lines you could tell that their problem was that Police Traffic Wardens rearely check for TAX discs and therefore they would have difficulty in enforcing compulsory insurance/MOT.

Pay as you pollute thats what I say

And only getting 17mpg I would pay quite a bit.

 

Glad to hear its not me going totally insane anyway

 

Beef,

You're absolutely right. Petrol cars don't pollute as much as other forms of transport. Today's cars are 20 times cleaner than cars 20 years ago. The major polluters are old diesels (buses, taxis, trains, etc) - hmmm, all public transport - yet these are the vehicles (well, buses and trains anyway) that don't have to pay VAT on their fuel and get subsidised by the government. The government's environmental credentials don't hold water but most people are unaware of the real situation.

Car drivers will continue to get screwed for tax because it's believed they can afford it (the argument being that if you can afford to buy a car, you must be rich enough to run it). The government will continue to turn the screw until we squeak - and, currently, not enough of us squeak, so they'll continue to tax us more and more. The new graduated VED is just another tax increase - to expect the government to reduce other taxes to compensate is verging on the naive.

Sorry to go a bit .... pet hate.

Brian

 

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the graduated road tax scale based on CO2 output meant to penalise *all* consumption of carbon fuels irrespective of how low the NOx and CO emissions are.

epyjymp.

(Outraged at the lack of an even lower band for 600cc cars . . . .)

 

Hang on a moment: doesn't this just affect cars registered after Autumn 2000? By which time there's the new Scooby around, with its apparently cleaner engine?

 

YES! Somebody else with (un)economy as bad as me. YIPEE, I'm not alone!

 

Actually I'm not sure I agree with the statement 'Pay as you pollute' (no offence). If you have effective CATS, then there is no reason why you should not be able to use loads of petrol, but not produce much more in the way of emissions than a smaller engined car.
Does this make sense to anyone else? Or shall I just shut up now?