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Right this is the senario......
Need to buy a car and possably an ex-demo.
Used to BMW quality and luxuries but not prepared to spen £45K on a motor any more. Looking to spend upto a maximum of £30K but less if poss.
What do I buy.
Do I have to have an STI
PS Must have something going for it I.E. a bit of performance and her indoors has to be able to drive it.
Oh and PPS I like sat nav and a nice sound system so if I bought an STI I would need to be recommended to a guy who can sort that bit out and I dont want to see any wires!!!
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Dare I say EVO???
Need to buy a car and possably an ex-demo.
Used to BMW quality and luxuries but not prepared to spen £45K on a motor any more. Looking to spend upto a maximum of £30K but less if poss.
What do I buy.
Do I have to have an STI
PS Must have something going for it I.E. a bit of performance and her indoors has to be able to drive it.
Oh and PPS I like sat nav and a nice sound system so if I bought an STI I would need to be recommended to a guy who can sort that bit out and I dont want to see any wires!!!
Comments please.
Dare I say EVO???
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try looking at the stats side of the evo site, as there it gives performance figures and pricing guidelines for new models, so used wud b a little less.
great place 2 start IMO!
great place 2 start IMO!
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I think the STI7 could fit the bill.
More refined than old scoobs, get a mod "pack" to cover most of your needs and you still have change from £30k.
Or dare I say it, a Skoda Octavia RS, with german build quality, 270hp potental for some nice poke. Only trouble is finding one, but you could have 2 for £30k.
Evo? Wife? Harsh suspension?
How about a BMW 540 with a few years use?
Or what about this
Paul
More refined than old scoobs, get a mod "pack" to cover most of your needs and you still have change from £30k.
Or dare I say it, a Skoda Octavia RS, with german build quality, 270hp potental for some nice poke. Only trouble is finding one, but you could have 2 for £30k.
Evo? Wife? Harsh suspension?
How about a BMW 540 with a few years use?
Or what about this
Paul
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Pavlo the P1 left such a bitter taste in my mouth.
Is the PPP on the STI a very NOISEY option. My last car had a full Scoobysport system and was too much after an hour or so.
Is the PPP on the STI a very NOISEY option. My last car had a full Scoobysport system and was too much after an hour or so.
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Arron - no Jap car has the interior build quality of BMW so if your looking for something akin to BMW build then I would not get a Scoob - now before all the boys start laying into me etc etc, be honest, the Jap motors are NOT that great inside compared to BMWs, even the Lexus range whilst being solid are no match. Every Scoob owner I know agrees that the BMW build qauility is supreme but they are boring!
30k buys you alot of car. I think the S4 is seriously worth looking at, new model means prices will fall but good examples are already around.
New Audi Cab is also very nice, not quick but nice.
30k buys you alot of car. I think the S4 is seriously worth looking at, new model means prices will fall but good examples are already around.
New Audi Cab is also very nice, not quick but nice.
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The CLK430 V8 is a lovely car, droveone last year with the roof down and yes I di like!!!, not awesome quick but a very very nice engine indeed!
Old CLK 110% nicer than new model!! - new one look like a Hyundai!!
Old CLK 110% nicer than new model!! - new one look like a Hyundai!!
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How about an X-type 3 litre Sport
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Passatt W8 4 motion - 275 BHP 273 lb/ft, unique engine, real 'q-car' £30k new, must be x deoms for £27ish?
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E55 AMG, they lose money at a stupid rate, should be quite a few £20-30k ish, and by then they hold their value better.....
Cheers!
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Passatt W8 4 motion - 275 BHP 273 lb/ft, unique engine, real 'q-car' £30k new, must be x deoms for £27ish?
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E55 AMG, they lose money at a stupid rate, should be quite a few £20-30k ish, and by then they hold their value better.....
Cheers!
Nath.
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Seeing as how you're asking on a Scooby Board and adding "do I have to have an STi", presumably you're looking for some persuasion. You've got lots of ideas from others about other cars, and you'll already know whether any of them appeals to you. Bearing in mind you're implying that you're looking for a new or nearly-new.....
STi7 is an excellent road car, arguably (flame suit on) a step forward from the old shape. The interior is tolerable, the lights much improved. It's a bit frenetic, 'cos it has to be kept on the boil; and so it needs PPP as much to sort out low(er) rev driveability as to give yet more performance at the top of the bracket. Missus might not like it... (mine doesn't - finds the 6-speed box difficult)? MY02 WRX/PPP (maybe even 5-door for practicability reasons) is, IMHO, a very realistic alternative - altogether less hard edged but speedy and very smooth with a peach of a steering rack. I have an STi7 UK which I love to bits; but I was impressed with my Dealer's WRX/PPP in spite of myself.
But: STi7s are (effectively) all gone, and we await MY'03WRX with interest. If MY03 is technically identical to MY02, then there shouldn't be a wait for PPP (??) (but the experts on the board will give guidance)
So, if you feel you want a Scooby IMHO I'd say wait for MY03, suss out the PPP position and make a decision between that and whatever the next STi is.....funny, I haven't seen any posts about this!! The advertising (a year ago) for STi7 (UK) seemed to imply that 2003 would see another batch of about 1000, all similar to '02, but doubtless much water has flowed under the bridge since then.
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STi7 is an excellent road car, arguably (flame suit on) a step forward from the old shape. The interior is tolerable, the lights much improved. It's a bit frenetic, 'cos it has to be kept on the boil; and so it needs PPP as much to sort out low(er) rev driveability as to give yet more performance at the top of the bracket. Missus might not like it... (mine doesn't - finds the 6-speed box difficult)? MY02 WRX/PPP (maybe even 5-door for practicability reasons) is, IMHO, a very realistic alternative - altogether less hard edged but speedy and very smooth with a peach of a steering rack. I have an STi7 UK which I love to bits; but I was impressed with my Dealer's WRX/PPP in spite of myself.
But: STi7s are (effectively) all gone, and we await MY'03WRX with interest. If MY03 is technically identical to MY02, then there shouldn't be a wait for PPP (??) (but the experts on the board will give guidance)
So, if you feel you want a Scooby IMHO I'd say wait for MY03, suss out the PPP position and make a decision between that and whatever the next STi is.....funny, I haven't seen any posts about this!! The advertising (a year ago) for STi7 (UK) seemed to imply that 2003 would see another batch of about 1000, all similar to '02, but doubtless much water has flowed under the bridge since then.
FWIW
Phil
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What about that new R32 golf when it comes out...
Or that BMW that POC has just bought 330ci or something like that...??
I would probably go for the evo 7, it looks a little less intensive than the STI 7 type UK, so the wife could drive it.... although it may be a little stiff (suspension wise)
Dan
Or that BMW that POC has just bought 330ci or something like that...??
I would probably go for the evo 7, it looks a little less intensive than the STI 7 type UK, so the wife could drive it.... although it may be a little stiff (suspension wise)
Dan
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Arron
Having been thru the cars for 30K dilema myself I'd say go have a test drive of the 156 GTA. I tried the Sti, BMW, Jag X-Type, A4 etc and decided on the GTA, new its costing me sub 30K with Sat Nav and it has the Bose sound system as standard.....the engine is pretty special as well.
And I know people reckon it'd deprciate like a b'stard but with only 400 RHD a year across both the saloon and sportwagon is it gonna drop as quickly as the rest of the 156 range?????
Steve
Having been thru the cars for 30K dilema myself I'd say go have a test drive of the 156 GTA. I tried the Sti, BMW, Jag X-Type, A4 etc and decided on the GTA, new its costing me sub 30K with Sat Nav and it has the Bose sound system as standard.....the engine is pretty special as well.
And I know people reckon it'd deprciate like a b'stard but with only 400 RHD a year across both the saloon and sportwagon is it gonna drop as quickly as the rest of the 156 range?????
Steve
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I personally dont see what all the fuss is about beemer interiors. My mate has a 6 month old 330Ci Sport and its a higher grade plastic, some nice leather and hes got the brushed aluminum dash and inserts but its nothing amazing. Ok so its better than a Scoob and most Jap interiors but give me the Audi S3 interior any day of the week - black leather/blue alcantara electric recaros - schweeeet
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Sorry, the link must need a cookie or something.
It was for a Passat W8 4-motion for under £26k at Listers.
Whilst searching the trader, I did see a few 330Ci for £28ish, LOADS of audi TT 235s for around 26.
All of the VAG stuff is well built, I found the only A4 I have ridden in to be very dull, quiet yes, but dull.
Paul
It was for a Passat W8 4-motion for under £26k at Listers.
Whilst searching the trader, I did see a few 330Ci for £28ish, LOADS of audi TT 235s for around 26.
All of the VAG stuff is well built, I found the only A4 I have ridden in to be very dull, quiet yes, but dull.
Paul
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i had a blast in the jag. its a ford ! dull dull dull!
evo bit harsh .
scoob ok
alfa now wonder what thats like?
sad to say but i tryed the lot apart from alfa and bought a scoob and put the 10k away for a little while!
steve
evo bit harsh .
scoob ok
alfa now wonder what thats like?
sad to say but i tryed the lot apart from alfa and bought a scoob and put the 10k away for a little while!
steve
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Can't be arsed to read the post for the sggestions so if theres any repeats tough
You're used to BM quality. Bye bye Subaru and Mitsubishi then.
Want something quick with good build for less than 30k......
Audi S3/4?
C43 Merc?
R34 Skyline?
Not sure you can have what you want unless you'll take something older than Ex-demo.
Realistically what can you get for 30k? 330i? You've had one and didn't like it. Not a huge amount of alternatives. 3yo Maser 3200GT?
A TT would suit you though
You're used to BM quality. Bye bye Subaru and Mitsubishi then.
Want something quick with good build for less than 30k......
Audi S3/4?
C43 Merc?
R34 Skyline?
Not sure you can have what you want unless you'll take something older than Ex-demo.
Realistically what can you get for 30k? 330i? You've had one and didn't like it. Not a huge amount of alternatives. 3yo Maser 3200GT?
A TT would suit you though