Adam M

Probably an odd question, but can someone tell me how weveryone knows that the 280ps output quoted for the P1 is on 95 octane fuel. Is it written somewhere?

If not, is everyone assuming that it is industry standard to quote power outputs at 95 ron because it isn't. Most cars I have ever read the official quoted power on have stipulated 98 ron (before the change).

Can someone throw some light on this for me cos I don't reckon they have changed the STi type R that much.

MarkO

They haven't changed it that much. In fact, I don't believe that they've changed the engine at all (although they may have remapped it to allow the use of 95RON - can't remember).

The power output certainly isn't any higher.

The P1 is just an STI 6 Type-R with a slightly different body kit and interior, Prodrive-tweaked suspension, and an official warranty. Oh, and they've downgraded the climate control to air con, and put different wheels and spotlights on. But otherwise the differences are pretty minimal.

Neil F

Adam.

The official literature that I got from the motor show as well as Subaru UK's website both quote 95RON for the P1.

You will also notice however that it quotes the power output as Approx 280PS..........

You may also be interested in some of the comments onthis post:

AlastairB

MarkO - don't forget the ABS

Re the 95 RON fuel, it's mentioned in the specifications on the web site.

Cheers
Alastair

chuckster

And the longer final gearing for all those motorway miles!
Chuck

spence

According to their web site it took them nine months to do all this little lot... doesn't say much for their efficiency does it!!

Ian Cook

Spence, you dont realise that the car is European Whole Vehicle approved in its P1 spec, this means it has been crash tested and also passes all the necessary tests to be registered as a car in its own right (one of the reasons it has aircon and not climate apparently), its not going the route of the EVO or other grey's by using SVA at all, so 9 months isnt bad.

MorayMackenzie

Well obviously it'll take months to put together a P1, you just can't get STI parts in the UK, thanks to Subaru UK!

Neil F

Have you noticed how paranoid Subaru UK are about 'Grey' imports on their website. Who are they trying to convince, us or themselves?

Some interesting quotes from the website:

".....the various Japanese specification Impreza Turbo derivatives - which are not designed for UK driving conditions - can only be sold by ‘grey’ importers via the less demanding Single Vehicle Approval regulations."

Not designed for UK driving conditions?
They seem to think that all Japanese roads are billiard tables; a Japanese friend of mine assures me that they are not.

"For example, the ‘grey’ import WRX STi is too hard at the front and soft at the back for our roads and suffers front-end bounce which holds back the engine’s true potential."

STi drivers; front end bounce? Anyone? Naaah.

"We experimented with 22 different spring and damper combinations which we whittled down to eight variations, measuring the effect of every single change."

22 spring and damper combinations all available from STi Japan.....

"Our benchmark cars were the standard Impreza Turbo, WRX STi, 22B-STi Type UK, BMW M3 and Mitsubishi Lancer EVO 6. We are now convinced we have them all beaten."

If the STi's were such a bad UK car, why did they feel the need to try (and I hang on the word try) to beat it?

Come on Prodrive, ITS AN STI R! With a remap to meet emmissions, an airbag and antilock brakes.
So do the decent thing and start servicing STi's, after all, you service your 22B's and they are "grey" (and parts must be far more specialised for them than an STi!)

pwebb

just adding to Neil's notes - the remap was not done by Prodrive either - all done in japan - think Prodrive can claim some credit for suspension tweaks but yes, probably again done with parts from sti.

methinks Prodrive should get top marks for marketing alone.

cheers,

Paul W

JayDee

I thought Prodrive did the maps for the new chip which was then built by STi Japan, and the mapping is te hard part.

JD

Ian Cook

NeilF, Prodrive dont service anything on the 22B's , the nominated Subaru UK dealers do that on the UK 22B's, its Subaru UK you should be aiming your attacks at.

The way everybody is attacking the P1 you would think it wasnt an Impreza at all. Its getting boring now.

ARRON BIRD

ME THINKS TOU GUYS ARE A BIT SAD
THE P1 IS THE ULTIMATR SUBARU
A LOT OF YOU SOUND LIKE YOUR QUITE HAPPY TO PAY 28 TO 29K FOR AN INPORTED CAR IN THE PAST OR NEARLY 29K FOR AN RB5 BUT BEGRUDGE THE 31.5K ASKING PRICE FOR THE P1
I KNOW VERY WELL THAT WHEN I GET MY P1 I CAH THRASH THE LIVING T*** OF IT AND EVERYTHING WIL BE COVERED.
THE WARRANTY ON AN IMPORT ISN`T WORTH THE PAPER IT`S WRITTEN ON.
STOP BEING A BUNCH OF LOSERS AND LOOK FORWARD TO THE P1 ON OUR ROADS AND TRACKS, AND IF YOU CAN`T AFFORD ONE DON`T KNOCK THOSE WHO CAN.
AND IF YOU BOUGHT AN IMPORT A YEAR OR SO AGO AND YOUR TRYING TO BLAME SOMEBODY FOR YOUR DEPRECIATION THEN SHUT UP AND ENJOY YOUR CAR

Jonathan

For a year or so before this bbs started the iwoc mailing list was full of people asking IM to bring in the STI. They do and all people do is knock. Funny that most are STI owners !!.

No one complains about the EVO VI pricing which is the same for a less. I get all the bits that were poor on my STI V sorted out and inc 17" wheels (not the crap gold ones on the STI), good suspension (not the crap STI suspension), two door with ABS brakes (not available on an import), a decent warranty (my old STI V just had its MAF go and not covered under warranty (Warranty Holdings), Trackstar & CAT 1 is fitted (insurance premium up by only £60.00 not the £150 the same insurance company charged me for the V), I get full dealer back up and a full dealer network to sell to in eight or nine months when I'm bored. Try to get dealers buying your six month old STI VI for decent money.

As Otway always says its not always about money. Who cares about the depreciation. As a package the P1 is hard to beat. All some can point to is the EVO VI matching price and the fact it not climate just air con. Get real guys and join the real world.

The P1 is value for money as is an STI VI when bought for 25k. What would we all prefer, as importing grey cars gets harder that IM just import the new Scooby in only 215bhp version, or make this the start of getting all version imported and improved on for British Fuel and Roads.

Yes its an improved WRX STI no one denies that. Cant we be happy that in the press we might see the Scooby beating the EVO VI for once rather than the other way round. Seems typically british to knock something when it looks like it might be good.

Jonathan

P11 WRX (soon)

Neil F

Well it was cold out last night and I did need warming up; I think my last post did the job nicely!
So to fan the flames:

Ian, that was naughty, you took my generalisation too literally and well you know it! I was obviously referring to dealership servicing.
Boring subject? I can find many more boring subjects (far more boring in fact) on this bulletin board, just don't ask me to list them 'cos I 'aint got the time.

Aaron' stop shouting! To buy an STi new from Japan is far more expesive than getting a 6 month old one (de-registration fees etc) and that is where the STi really comes into it's own as far as VFM goes.

My point isn't that the P1 is a bad car, I have NEVER said it is. It's just that IM are hypocritical in blasting the STi for so long and then bringing it in themselves.
They were even more hypocritical when they brought their 22B's in via the grey route!
To try to make their P1 marketable they have had to claim that it is something special and above the "normal" STi's. Because in real terms it isn't they have resorted, as I have pointed out in some of their quotes, to put down the STi at every opportunity.
Vote for me because he isn't so good is no reccomendation!
The fact is, they really have no moral argument against servicing STi's and honouring warranty.
The parts bin for an STi is no longer that different from the rest of IM's offered range taking into account the P1 and 22B.
The old example is if you buy a Sony video camera in Andorra and it goes faulty it will be covered by an international warranty (I have used subject that can't be argued against here as it happened to my friend).
The same should apply to cars (and does for european imports to UK spec).
Another friend of mine (yes I have 2 you know) has an Eunos which Mazda now happily service as an MX5, so why can't Subaru UK do the same?

The end.

MarkO

Jonathan: Firstly, nobody's knocking Prodrive/IM for bringing in the STI (ahem - I mean P1). I'm delighted that they're doing the P1 and if I had the money (or didn't already own an STI) I'd probably buy one myself.

What me, Neill, and many others knock is the two-facedness that IM show by promoting the P1 and shunning/bad-mouthing grey STIs in the same breath. Do you not think it's a little hypocritical the way they've constantly banged on about grey STIs being more dangerous, over-priced and under-specified, right up to the point at which they start 'officially' importing an STI which has very few changes (and most of those are performance-related, rather than safety improvements).

As for the Evo pricing, I think you'll find that your claim of 'noone complaining' is not entirely accurate. 50% of the content of the Evo list is anti-Ralliart/Co-ordSport posts complaining about how they've been fleeced for what is basically an expensive warranty. At the moment the current topic is about why Co-ord are charging some £3k for their 'official' Phase 1 conversion, when having the same mods done to a 'grey' costs less than £1500. Prodrive Performance Pack, anyone?

It might seem like me and everyone want to knock the P1 when we should be supporting it, but that would be missing the point. There's more to it than just grey vs imports - it's all about the whole car price-fixing cartel issue. Think about the grand scheme of things: I can buy an official STI 6 in Cyprus for around £18k. So does it really make sense that I can buy a slightly tweaked blue one in the UK for another 50% on top of that price?

I went grey because I got fed up with waiting for my UK car to arrive (I'd waited 5 months, and was told I'd have to wait at least another 3 - whereas my STI took 10 days from test-drive to collection). I also didn't like the fact that the UK turbo (and, in fact, any 'official' UK car) is wildly overpriced compared to cars bought in other countries. I went grey because it was the only way to get hold of a decent performance Impreza without paying way over-the-odds for it compared to the rest of Europe. When everyone compares P1 prices to UK cars and grey STIs, they seem to forget that, in the scheme of things the P1 isn't really bad value. However, the 'scheme of things' is a cartel and a monopoly, and it's that which I disagree with...

[Bugger - just read Neil's post (following Jonathan's) and he pretty much says the same as I've just done!]

Chewy

I have bought a STi IV or something like that and the P1 will not work for me. Not enough doors. First off if the ride on my car is harsh which I don't think it is, what about a M3 or half of the "sports cars" on the market. The only reason why subaru don't service imports is that they don't like the competition. They have a perfect situation, there is a waiting list for there new car's. They are only trying to scare people not to buying an import so they can go on and charge what ever they want. With the reputation the car has I was happy to live with my poor warranty. Well it did pay for my leaky clutch master cylinder. With only a little fuss. If I was going to go for two doors they I would have to say 22B. For an extra 5 or 6 grand wouldn't you.
chewy