Elmer Fudpucker

Has anyone owned both and be good enough to tell me how they compare?
I'm seriously considering buying one from a main dealer.1 owner
9k at £22,995.
many thanks,Jon

chrisp

Not owned an STI7 but got a nippy classic it really depends on your classic and state of tune of both cars and if it perfromance., handling build, safety, toys etc. there are valid reasons for owning either.

I should image in straight line performance even an STI7PPP would have a job to keep up with a standard STI5/6 due to power to weight but the 7 should be quicker than an MY00 UK turbo agian due to power to weight and gearing. Too many cars and combinations really to compare. Did you have two in mind ?

Sith

Have held station with an STI7 in gear. I have a fully dectted MY96.

Elmer Fudpucker

The reason that i ask,is because i'm currently in the market for a new car.At the moment i have a 96 uk with 264bhp.I absolutely love this car to death(see for sale forum),but i have some extra cash burning a massive hole in my pocket and don't want to be dissapointed with any new purchase,when i'm really very happy with what i've already got.....does that make any sense?

chrisp

If performance is your main criteria I would plan for the PPP on top otherwise it may not be what you are expecting, as you currently have same power as an STi7 but 200kgs less weight.

chiark

Sounds overpriced to me, unless it's got PPP and 18s... I don't buy the line that STI7's are more valuable due to rarity...

Drive the thing and see if you like it. It took the PPP of the 8 for me to be utterly blown away by the new car - although a full decat on a 7 makes it a fantastic car.

Without PPP, I think you'll find it slow. Doesn't hurt to try tho

mrdeli

I have owned both - the Sti V7 is a much much better car in every way - it suffers from turbo lag upto 4k rpm - BUT with PPP its blows almost everything off the road - the only possible thing the classic can touch it on is fuel ecomony and performance

My trubo 2000 was approx £700 to insure and returned about 250 per tank. MY sti V7 was approx £1050 to insure and rarely touches 200 per tank.

Not sure i'd pay £22995 for a V7 with V8 available at 24,995?

Why not wait until march 1st - there will be plenty of Sti V7's about. Mine and my brothers are going in - both PPP'd!

Jen

Elmer I've only driven the 7 around a very large car park (quite quick though ...and before anyone say's it - yes I know I stalled ) which was enough to know it was a very different car from my MY98 (251bhp).

I loved it - but I think you have to drive it to make a decision youself... The biggest difference is the quality e.g. Chunky doors, nice interior etc. but then is that the reason you by a Scoob Go drive it

Jen

P.S. If you're buying it from where I think you are - I've had a look at that one, it's a nice example Been there a while though, so make sure you get a good deal

Elmer Fudpucker

Hi Jen,you are correct in your thinkingbut'they'are expecting a different one in as a p-ex in march
I've changed my mind now anyway,thanks for the replies tho

Jon

Dark Evo

Whats an STi 7, there's no such thing.

dariogatso

own a 99 uk , play'd about with a 7....the seven has better build and quality...then again..it bloody should have, its new after all..having say'd that..the interior of my uk99 is now almost retro rather than just poor( its retro - shut up)..but..the classic looks better( no contest )..also..feels faster..not just my view..the view of a good few people( including nearly every engineer ive talked to at subaru dealers)..go for the 7 if you want something newer...that to me is the only reason id swap mine for one..wee bit of work though, you get the classic looks and you can spank the 7..mind you, mine isnt quite standard..but the sti8 looks quite tempting..or ...ford / evo / audi / bmw...loyality is a thing of the past now with subaru..check out the competition..

john banks

A well modded classic will blow away (for acceleration at least) a similarly modded STi because of weight alone. Have a look at some of my acceleration figures compared to similar powered STi 7 here despite using similar gearing.... http://www.scoobynet.co.uk/bbs/threa...=171972&Page=9

Steve PPP

Jon,
I have owned both. MY00 wagon standard except for 17's and spoilers, currently STi Uk PPP.

I wouldn't go back to the classic for anything. The STi is in another league for lots of reasons. Can't comment on modded classics, never driven one.
The STi has much better build quality, with PPP it is fantastic (PPP is a must-have) to drive. Ride is slightly bouncy, but smooths out on a run. Handling and grip are much better than the classic. Would go for STi 8 if you can, but still needs PPP.
HTH
Steve

chrisp

If I could get an STI8 with 220bhp/ton and still have a warranty and a safe, reliable car and not seriously expensive I would have one.

Lemmy

We have a 247 hp MY99 turbo Wagon and a STi7 in our house hold. When the STi7 was standard it still felt much quicker than the Turbo, except below 3500rpm, despite a lower power to weight ratio. It must be due to the lower gearing which effectively multiplies the torque.

Now that the STi7 has over 300 hp it is frighteningly quick. The difference is similar to the experience of driving a Turbo for the first time when you are used to Gtis. The other day I had a 911 Carrera2, which is as quick as a lightly modded Turbo, on my tail looking to play when I was pottering through a local village; once we reached the derestricted sign I blew him away! My girlfirend who loves air cooled 911s couldn't stop laughing with pleasure!

A modded STi7/8 is the only choice. It has so much more performance potential not to mention beter handling, build quality and brakes. With PPP you even keep the warranty assuming you don't mod the exhaust.

Alan

Steve PPP

Alan,
Have to agree with the 911, a friend has a 911 Carrera 2 and wouldn't believe that my car was faster, as it is so much cheaper. That was until I appeared behind him the other day, he spotted me and booted it to prove his teutonic superiority. Wasn't smiling when I went to overtake him!!! LOL.
Steve

[Edited by Steve PPP - 2/19/2003 4:29:47 PM]

john banks

It is down to the driver gentlemen. A 911 Carrera 2 has 239 BHP per ton, less drivetrain losses, and no turbo lag, it also weighs 125kg less than the STi 7 and has larger tyres and brakes. A PPP STi 7 has 204 BHP per ton. In reality you are going to find that the Carrera 2 is about 25% more accelerative in a straight line when you consider the drivetrain losses (look at the easy sub 4 second 30-70 for example, also consider the sub 6 second 60-100).

I like the STi 7 - I mapped one today to an estimated 320 BHP, but if you think they are a match for a recent 911 even in this form I would have to disagree.

[Edited by john banks - 2/19/2003 4:51:53 PM]

Chip

Had 99My and UKsti7. Sti has better build quality by far.Is also faster than standard classic. With PPP the 7 is just superb.
I wouldnt have any hesitation in recomending the 7 against the so called classic.Its just so much better.

Chip.

Lemmy

John

I am not sure where you got your bhp/tonne, but Autocars 1989 roadtest gives 250 hp and a kerb wt of 1380 kg which is 181 hp/t. The road test does give an impressive 30-70 mph time of 4.6 secs though (cf 4.7 for standard STi7). However my STi7 has over 320 hp (218 hp/t) and better torque per tonne than a Carrera2. Combined with shorter intermediate gearing this should give it an advantage.

However, like you say it could all still be down to the driver in the end.

Alan

chrisp

Okay enough being diplomatic

Standard classic comes in main disguises my RA is pretty much standard and its approaching 225bhp/ton and gears 1 to 5 are also simlar in ratio to the STI7, 4th gear is 103mph @ 7600rpm. While we are on RR figures forget bhp fly figures lets see power at the wheels figures as these are the ones that count . 195bhp at the wheels .

My pretty much standard classic RA would destroy an STI7 in straight line. Yes the STi7 has a lot going for it but dont say the old 280PS STi/WRX classics are slower . Unless your standard 7 can do a ton is 12 seconds. Different strokes for different folks .

john banks

I thought we were comparing newish cars here not 14 year old Porkers! The present 911 Carrera 2 and the STi 7 PPP in fact have identical torque to weight ratios at the flywheel, except the 911 has fewer drivetrain losses and no turbo lag. The 911 has 316 BHP.

Indeed enough of being subtle.... if you want power to weight my UK classic Scooby has 300 BHP/ton An STi 7 would need about 450 BHP to keep up although I admit they do corner well.

chrisp

LOL John we did try, didnt we