Today my car went for in Water Injection at Powerstation, the lads at PS had done a wonderful job (thanks Rich) but when the car was put on the rollers for the 2nd run, the hose below the Intercooler split thus no performance.

The power figures looked really good as they were @ the 292 mark and would have been over 300 if it wasn't for 1 hose, unfortunatly I won't be able to make Santa Pod as planned.

The new hose and complete car set-up will be complete by next Friday including an Electronic Boost Control gizmo and hopefully a Launch control device that these guys are developing but that could be few weeks away.

Not too dissapointed as It could have been a lot more worse, at least the car will be pucka for the next track day thanks to Rich and Dirk.

Harj...

 

Harj.
I thought fromm your text message that your engine had gone bang, and the Unichip had suffered it's first (known) victim!!
Glad to hear it's not terminal.
Now what's all this about launch control on a 4WD car, you wimp!

Stef.

 

Harj,

That was one hell of a bang when it went.... Your face was a picture.

Yes, defo on for the magic 300, not that that is actually important or anything

And the launch control is top secret, so keep it to yourself

See you at Spod if you make it with ScatMan.

Cheers

Ian

 

Harj,

People can say what they want about Unichip's, but who's gonna have the quickest proven scoob's in the country, by the time we both get ours sorted for the next pod meeting!

Me's & You's!!!!!

Shaun.

P.S. RICH IS A **** KING AS HE DEALS IN SCAT PICTURES - DIRTY B&STARD!!!!!!

Where's the guys with the possum links (or should I say ***** LINKS)?

 

I will never regret adding my Unichip, It has been by far the best mod I have ever made. If my car ever does go bang, I'm sure it will be something else (Driving) as Unichips have proven to me as being the best option. I had looked into detail about Superchips and Possums, but the Unichip has the most favourable results, and this is PROVEN.

The only reason why someone would have a problem with one of these would be down to the mapping as it does take a lot of skill to get it just right, the lads at Powerstation certainly know their stuff or Prodrive wouldn't be using them.

I look forward to seeing how Shaun's monster will also prevail once all of the boost bugs are gone (not down to the Unichip).

Harj...

 

Stef (Billy!!!!!!), will have to get a chip now.

Second thought's, when his gear box goes again (which might be sooner than he thinks!), he might as well sell his UNDERPOWERED & OVERPRICED UK car, and buy a proper one - AN IMPORT

Granted. You got good times today, but it is only a stay of execution until the real boys return.

If buy a very slim chance me & Harj don't get in the 12's, we will both vanish, but when it does happen - WE WILL BOTH BE MAKING POSTINGS ABOUT THE FACT, VERY 5 MINUTES!!!!

Shaun.

P.S. YOU MAY TAKE ME WHILE I AM DISABLED AND INJURED, BUT WHEN I'M FIGHTING FIT.........

 

You two make me laugh!
Firstly, there's no way either of you will be the qickest 'proven' Scoobs in the country unless you go internal with an STi engine, spend over £6k, and do the 1/4 mile in around 12secs!!!!!
Secondly, Shaun, for someone who can only manage 13.7secs with a 320bhp Cossie, those are brave words. Your cars should be faster then my car WITHOUT any ecu trickery. Never mind...
Enjoy it while you can, if I have to put a Superchip in for a week to stuff you, I will.

Stef.

 

Stef,

I admit when it comes to technical ability I am probably down there with you, please confirm your findings (Supersh*ts) before posting. I would not spend all this cash If I knew I wasn't able to get the times I want and are capable of, the next Pod meeting will preveal who has one of the fastest Scoobs in the country.

If my mods are anything to go by, wait until I start working on the 22B. Also there is an STI6 looming that may also need a seeing to

My current WRX will be kept as a pure track / pod events car, as will Shaun's. I think it's time you should make up your own mind about mods and not listen to what the in-croud are saying ie Possums/Superchips

Harj.......

 

Yeah, but when the engines are done, won't you both need someone to drive it for you? As Stef is getting the times without the mods - think you might need him to do the driving for you. Especially as Scatman has the mechanical sympathy for clutches of a sledgehammer....

Hope it all goes well for you both though, as it would be interesting to see the first ever 12s Scooby at the Pod! Perhaps they will be ready for the track day at Snetterton on 14 May?
Mike

 

Ooooh, we seemed to have bumped into the hornets nest here!
Firstly, I know enough about engines and ecu's to know that to have the fastest Scoob in the country will take more than water injection and launch control, which incidentally is nothing more than a gimmick to make up for the drivers lack of skill off the line. Sound familiar Shaun? Can you get a device that prevents changing into reverse at 80mph too? lol
I used the STi engine as a reference as it is the ideal starting point for mega-tuning, is it not? I have no doubt that both yours and Harjs cars will both be very quick when sorted, but to be thefastest Scoobs in the country is some objective, and one that yor mods won't make.
With the sort of power Harj's car has now, 13.2sec runs should be easily achievable every time. The fact that a UK car can do the same time only moves the goalposts further. A car with Harj' pwer should surely be already well under 13 should it not?
To make it interesting, next time at The Pod we'll see if either ofyou can better my best 60ft time of 1.609sec, which with your girlie launch control should be no problem surely? AWD obviously isn't enough of an dvantage for you already!
And Shaun, I understand that the ratio of an Escort Cossie is probably different to a Scoob, but that isn't an excuse you can use in competition is it?
And as far as the track is concerned, well that's another story atogether......
Glad to hear you might be getting the 22B Harj, but why don't yo spend the money on that? Surely you've got more chance of being the quickest in a 22B? In fact, exactly how many Scoobs do youneed?
See you at The Pod.....
Oh, and as you've never run against anyone with a Superchip or a '***** Link', perhaps you shouldn't be so quick to write them off. You never know when it may blow back in your face...

Stef.

 

Please give me a few minutes, while Harj & I consult???????!!!!!!!!

Scatman.

 

Stef,

What do you know about engines & ecu's?

F**K ALL!!!!!!

Who say's you need an STI engine for power/times. You may need the Forged Pistons, but not the whole engine!

You know when the cars are sorted, YOU WILL get thrashed!!!!

Shaun.
(Glad he never got ripped off by buying a UK car!)

P.S. Will some guy (who knows what they are on about), confirm that ratio's in a Escort Cossie are totally different than a Scoob. Hence the reason why Scoobs are that much quicker on the strip! Even though Stef the mechanic, thinks that ratio's make no difference - BELLEND !!!!!!

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Stef,

I didn't know you had such words in you, As I have always said to Shaun "Stef is no threat". My car without Water Injection is already capable of 12's at the Pod, considering I have only been there twice.

I'm very suprised that It took you 11 runs to get your fastest, when I got 13.2 on my first run. Internals are not needed when cooling is now down to a art. My car will soon be fully sorted so when that happens, all will be proven at the Pod and on the Track.

I will gladly pay for a Superchip to be fitted to your car to see what the results are, especially when it goes BOOM!!!

Stef, never underestimate Shaun and myself. The Scooby fest has only began with us, 6Pot AP's also go on next week along with a host of goodies this week

Harj...

PS Looks like I will be buying the 22B.

 

Stef (All)

Top runs yesterday, very impressed with your times on the basis of mods. done i.e. very little. I guess you are just good at driving and everybody else is pants

I was talking to one of the 'pro' drivers (funny cars) and he was telling me that he used to run street cars at drag strips in the States. He said the difference between a good driver and a not so good driver (i.e. shifting, power application etc.) can be up the equivelent of about 60 lb/ft of torque, if that makes sense. Made sense to me at the time.

Launch control Harj is talking about is still in development but does have benefits. My car was making 5psi of boost standing still yesterday with it switched on. Makes for a quite violent launch but has the bangs and pops to confuse your opponent Of course, once you are rolling the turbo is already spooling rather trying to climb out of vacuum. Gave me 0.5 second off the 1/4 and about the same off my 60ft times. Even so, still 1.5 seconds or so off your times but I'm on lower power/boost than yours (and ina Toyota)

Cheers

Ian


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Stef,

Extremely harsh word in your case, when it comes to Power, I admit I may not have the most powerful scoob, but we may soon have two of the fastest as previously quoted if you can read

I also look forward the next Pod meeting, but It may only take 10 attempts to get that time again instead of 11. By then I can't see you gearbox or car lasting, Please Please Please get any Chip you choose and find some decent Scooby competition for me as I have got bored of Skylines and Cossies.

I can't really see any relevance in going up against you as you do cut the Timing Engineers Hair do you not? Im not interested in 60ft times but the overall time, launch control is only an option, but it could be a must as I love all gizmo's.

Only a couple of weeks ago I was prepared to hand 6K to Rich at Powerstation and say do what ever it needs, but Shaun stopped me and said wait! why spend silly money when for much lesser cash you can almost be there in stages. The next item is a bigger turbo and camshafts, then maybe an upgrade to a Motec.

I do enjoy owning and driving Scoobs, and I am prepared to own a few. I only buy them for fun and I do get bored easily so variety helps.

Harj...

 

Stef,

The only person I have to prove that the 12's are acheivable is you - AND PROVE I WILL!

You were quite adament at harj's house that you could beat me down the 1/4 mile - no 60ft bull*hit was mentioned then. As soon as I talked about a decent sized wager, you seemed to do what is known in the trade as "Bottled It!".

You might beat me on Sega Rally etc.
You might beat me on the track - but's that's only because, I do not feal confident in the car - but more time driving it, will solve that one.

But your day's at SantaPod are running out.

Harj has only had a couple of runs at the pod, as opposed to your 70+, and my ****-ups were only due to the fact that I tried to side step the clutch @ 5.5k (which it did'nt like). But it's funny that I still managed a 14.7 in my car, when the clutch slipped through most of 1st, 2nd & 3rd.

Anyway, Harj has just told me, he could walk 60ft quicker than your car.

Read it & weep fat boy!!!!!

Shaun.

 

I Have just offered Stef a wager over the phone but as Shaun rightly put it, he BOTTLED IT! Now is that how we enthusiasts act.

I also noticed a later thread about some idiot drivers in their Scoobies, 1 name came to mind blasting around pedestrian areas at 90mph STEF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Come on Stef, show us how to really drive!. What I offered was reality not a joke! Just keep as many Ice Cubes as possible handy when you see me.

It is not that difficult to get good times @ the Pod, especially when youv'e been down it 100+ times Stef! No wonder you keep having your car fixed, I would't even try and reply Stef!

Harj...

 

Ladies will you put those handbags down, you'll have somebodies eye out

 

Harj/Shaun,

What are your cars running in terms of power and torque? Also, what modifications other than Unichip are fitted and what are your best times/terminal speeds on the strip?

Moray
(Curious of how good these monster cars really are!)

 

Good point Weaver,

I don't think we will be hearing from much from Stef anymore. Unless he replies to mine and Shauns challenge and no poxy 60ft times.

Kids hey

Harj...

 

Just so you see my questions above...

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Hi Moray,

All work on my car has been done by Powerstation (Rich&Dirk), @ present I have a Unichip, Water Injection, Full Mongoose System, HKS Induction, Boost control and re-mapping work is currently being done by Rich this week.

I am looking at a bigger turbo, camshafts, and Motec. The AP Clutch goes in next week I hope. I hear you are getting on well with your Monster too!

How were the results on the new big turbo?

Harj....

 

Harj,

Too true it's not called a standing start 60ft is it now?!?!!?

There's no point getting a good 60ft time if you car can only crawl up the rest of the strip like an asthmatic three legged dog

Place your bets please ladies and gents

 

New big what? Sorry, that must be someone else...

What base car do you have and what quarter mile results have you managed?

Moray

 

I do apologise Moray,

My car is only a mere 97 WRX, so far the best 1/4 time was 13.2, this was the second time at this. The car with only a unichip is well capable of under 12 going by past performance and Stef's results. I'm aiming for mid 12's, this is a target that I'm sure will acheivable with enough practice.

I cannot confrim the Power output on the car as it is now Work In Progress, but before the Hose blew it was looking like 300+ depending on Boost level.

Harj...

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Weaver,

I like the way you talk, If only Stef was a real betting man, or even a man

Harj...

 

Sub 12 is quite a goal. Good luck mate!

Moray

 

Moray,

Just watch this space for some quick times, Shaun too is aiming for the same. We both know they are acheivable.

Harj..

 

Hi all,

Over the last 10 years or so, I have done lots of drag racing, and found that to gain 0.5 secound takes alot more horse power than you would expect (about 70 on a 200hp car) this can all be lost due to a poor driver. The launch is as important as the amount of power you have because if you can't get it off the line the other is already down the other end but if you do get it off the line but lack hp and torque you run out of puff at the top end.
If you look at the difference between Stef and Mike Rainbird's times it is obvious.
Mike is their any times for 400hp escort cossies because these are ideal (albeit a bit heavy) all the horse power and grip).
So Harj I hope you have alot more than 350hp or you wont get near low 12's just scrape into high 12's.

All this is my own opinion and probably doesnt count for squat in this debate, just thought I would air my views anyway.

Adrian

Flame proof suit at the ready

 

What on earth have we got here....the Harj and Shaun bloody roadshow???????
I agre with everything Adrian says, and there was a 400bhp 4wd Cossie there yesterday running low 12's as an example. Reckn yu'd beat him you two???? I think not.
Let's get a few facts out the way first though.
Firstly, Harj. You have never offered me a wager. Why are o sayngI botled it? If you did i would decline on the basis that your car has over 50bhp and 60ft/lb more than than mine. It desn't take a genius to work out which car's quicker!
Your car should EASILY be capable of sub 13sec runs now. agreed? What's the point challenging me when my car as it stands doesn't have a hope of getting under 13??? See my point? There has to be a degree of fairness involved, and a simple wager on the fastest time isn't fair. That's why I suggested the 60ft wager.
I think most people will agree that the most important part of a 1/4 mile run is the launch. It is the part that requires the most skill. Once the car is moving, it all comes down to the power of th ar with a small amount of gear changing ability. For example, if yu tried to drive an F1 car, it would be much harder to actually get it going than it would be to drive it quickly in a straight line. Anyone can drive a powerful car fast in a straight line.
Yours and Shauns car will soon have the ability to do a perfect launch every time. If that is the case, take the wager!
When I bet Shaun £10 I'd beat him yesterday, it was on the basis that his car was as it is now, only with the new AP clutch fitted.Unfortunately it wasn't ready in time.

It was actually Shaun that bet me £100 that he'd beat me next tim at The Pod. I have accepted this bet on two conditions;

i) I have a chip fitted for the day. Then we're even.

i) If this doesn't happen, the wager is on the complete tim INCLUDING the reaction time, just like a proper race. First acros the line wins.

He is now trying to wimp out of it saying he was joking!!!!!!
Therefore it certainly isn't I you should be saying has no bottle is it?
So, Mr Harjy Barjy, where would you like me to take the car to get the Superchip fitted, seeing as you very kindly offered to pay for it????
I look forward to a quick response.....

Stef.

PS What's this pants about 90mph through resi areas?? One thing I NEVER do is speed thru built up areas. Sort your own driving out before criticising others. We should call you Weaver!!!

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