where is the best place to get a new engine from as mine has let go after only 12 days of owner ship.


someone has offered to put a brand new p1 bottom end and try to use the heads (if these can not be used i will get new heads) all this for 2k, is that a fair amount? would the turbo of been damaged when it exploded (don't fancy a old turbo that could let go and knacker the new lump)

any help much app as i am well hacked off


thanks

 

12 days ???? what car was it and what did you do to it ?
I take it was an import, did oyu run it on either Optimax or SUL with octain booster ?
Also had it just had an oil change ? and did you follow the recomended procedure ie pre filling the oil filter and turning the engine over with the crank sensor remover so it wont start.
Sorry im not much help with your problem but im intrested to find out why your engine died after youve had the car for 12 days ?

Andy

 

it was a my99 uk wagon full subaru sevice (last one 2k ago) one managing director owner.totally standard. i thought i had a bargin.
i had given it a wash and was just taken it out for a spin. as i was gong up a slip road i said to my passenger i was loosing power looked behind to see clouds of white smoke.
i had a guy round who does scoobs,he said the big end had gone which inturn had made the piston long done the valves in pot 4 etc etc.

as you can imagine i am not a happy bunny.do you think it will ever be the same or am i better of getting it fixed and getting shut?


btw
i used optimax but not sure what it had b4

[Edited by donutman - 7/21/2003 11:10:31 PM]

 

Try gradea subaru breakers. Not sure what their WWW is.

Good luck,

Korky

 

It will be back to normal with some TLC, it may not be the crank it could be a piston has let go.....

Until a compression test is done you won't know for sure. It sounds like you have been unlucky with this one...

 

what about the p1 bottom end am i going to better off with this? and what about the turbo could that of been weakend?
someone said to me i would be better off to get a running 30k engine with turbo etc than go for the p1 stuff.

what do you think

 

P1 bottom ends are good we put one into a 95 wrx sti 4, just one bracket had to b altered to get the inlet manifold on. we replaced the block because it had put a nice hole in the side of it!!!
2k sounds cheap, very cheap we payed near double that!

hope this helps!!

Good Luck.

 

You mention 'white smoke'. This is actually steam, usually caused by head gasket failure. I cant see any way that a failed big end bearing would cause the piston and valves to come into contact and damage them.

Does it still run and sound ok, can you head a grinding noise?

Check the water level, I bet its gone down a fair bit!!

Get a second opinion, it sounds very much like a head gasket failure.

 

Where did you get it from? If it came from a dealer surely there would be some form of warrenty with it . Sounds a real shame, I hope it gets sorted out for you.

 

As above but presuming you have no such cover & all expenses will be c/o your own wallet & hell even if not i'd use Roger CLarks motorsport to both diagnose & rebuild (maybe with a few extra tweaks) as they are the daddies of scoobs etc
Si

 

thanks for the relpy's.
had some developments today. i phoned trading standards who said,under the sale off goods act the goods have to be of satisfactory quality.and with the engine blowing within 11 days of purchase does not constitute it to be of satisfactory quality. i also did get a warranty holdings warranty (that would not cover much at all as they say they have a claims limit) which happens to be filled in wrong no claims limit indicated,but the main point is where i should of signed my signature there is another that looks nothing like mine.

i then rang the guy told him what they had said (inc reporting him for fraud), within two hours i had a phone call saying he wanted to pick the car up and take it to a garage and have it inspected. i have told him that i still want my money back on this car no matter what (as i don't belive that the engine well ever be the same).the reply was i don't think you will get it back.

anyhow i have agreed to let him take it to a garage (called mpl) where he can have it inspected.


as to the smoke etc the subaru guy said that when the big end went it would of blown the head gasket at the same time.

 

donut man, if the big end has gone the car will sound like a blooming tractor on a cold morning, e.g. knocking loud as F, and how does this expert know its no3 has he went through a proper check, e.g. disconnecting the ht lead on each cylinder to see if the noise gets less.

 

the engine is knocking and shaking like hell (diving to the left when looking from the front)although no grinding noise,agreed he has not compression tested it.but 1 clyinder is not firing even i can tell that.he seemd to listen to each pot and said it was pot 4 not fireing,and this is quite a common problem on a my99.
i then had another garage round who listened to it for even less time and said "switch it off m8 it's fooked" so i take it is.

i did offer a olive branch to the supplier and say if he gave me 1k towards the cost i would pay the other 1k. all i got was "why should i do that" so that is when i took the trading standards route.

all i can do now is wait and see what the garage who has tomorrow has to say.my last words to him tonight were "i want my money back no matter what now"

[Edited by donutman - 7/22/2003 7:12:15 PM]

 

**** not another!, have you read the thread "Big end's gone" inthe drive train section? i havent bought my scoob yet (looking for a decent 99/98 lowish miles uk/import ) but that thread & things like this happening scare the sh*t out of me. I keep telling myself spending £12K on a car thats seems to be prone to engine death isn't a good 'investment' no matter what the grin factor. I bet the grin left your face pretty sharpish at any rate. Was your car a UK or an import?, cos so far, it seems that the imports (partcularly the sti's) are dropping like flies, regardless of type of oil/octane rating of fuel they've been run on.
Help! someone tell me my new scoobs not likely to go **** up after rolling it off the drive !

 

Before you comit to the 2000 rebuild get them to confirm the price & that it includes everything, It sounds daft cheap to me, is the P1 bottom end nicked or something & what sort of guarantee will you get. £2000 isnt cheap if it lets go again in 6 months
I would also suggest you go with the car when its taken away & see where it goes & what they say. After all he will want to proove you "broke the car" & you are giving him a free hand to gather as much evidence against you as he can.

It looks like you have bought yourself a load of hassle & my advice would be get your money back if you can. If he agrees to pay you a grand & the final bill is nearer the usual 3-3500 rebuild cost you are seriously out of pocket.

If you end up doing it yourself scoure the breakers for secondhand lumps, I managed to get a STI 4 s/hand lump complete with turbo etc for £1000. Scoob specialist breakers know what they are worth but the average jobbing scrappy dosent so ring around

As for are scoob engines weak, I think the answer has to be yes & was one of the reasons I sold the scoob earlier this year. I found out a couple of weeks ago that it had blown again, & yes I always used Optimax + Octane booster.

 

i have seen the p1 engine in a box,i can register it.2k will get the car on the road no matter what.so it does not sound bad to me.

 

my uk my00 let go after 48000 and i was totally gutted so i can imagine how bad you must feel after only 2 weeks

good luck with your repairs

by the way i know a genuine guy who may be able to help you all depending what part of the country you live in

 

If it came from a dealers and was an original warranty job, they would have got a new block, it maybe some of the lads have rebuilt the block and will get a few extra quid in their pockets.....

Whilst it is cheap and whilst there are many reasons not to do it; it may just be a genuine offer.....

 

My Scoob also blew piston 4 within 6 months of me buying it.But more my fault as I should have had it checked properly as after fitting a boost gauge found out that the previous owner had decided that it would be fun to run it at 22 psi and not tell me !
Cost me £1500 to repair but that was just for piston, rings and fitting.

 

even if it was a rebuild would this not be better than spending 1.1k on a secondhand lump from a breakers with 20k>40k on it(like X SOOOBY said his let go at 48k). i would of thought that there was more chance of this going wrong than the p1 stuff

[Edited by donutman - 7/23/2003 5:40:26 PM]

 

depends what rebuilt means!

 

and here is a pic of it



and here it is on the tow truck


[Edited by donutman - 7/24/2003 8:53:59 PM]

 

cough cough somebody open the window it's getting cludy in here
Si

 

thats what the guy next door did

 

That really looks like steam, if so water is getting into the piston / cylinder area and going out of the exhaust. Either a block crack between a cylinder and the water channel, or a head gasket failed badly.

Oil smoke from a holed piston is blue, not white, so it does seem likely it's not a major failure. Although you haven't said what sort of noise it makes whilst doing that .... if it knocks like mad then it's also the bottom end ( i.e. big end or mains bearing collapsed ) but the bearing failing would not produce that sort of exhaust smoke on a stationary throttle blip. Not sure about the comment that a big end failure would blow the head gasket ... why would it? May hit the head and wreck some valves, would screw crank journal .. but not the head gasket.

The motor needs stripping to see what the problem is, and then the repair. Likely it was failing / failed when on sale and you were unlucky enough to buy it .. - A warranty job for the seller I would say!
You haven't track day'd it have you!

Hope you get it sorted

 

there is a knocking sound when started. but the smoke smells like oil (pherhaps this is just me fearing the worst).
no tack days just one run down the motorway and 7 severn trips to work (local) will see what the garage has to say.

 

Thats definatly steam in the pictures. The knocking would probably be the big end, but you'll probably also find that the rings are broken and you have a nice scored bore!

But the big end would not have caused the head gasket to fail.