Mike P

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[Edited by Mike P - 11/4/2003 12:11:39 PM]

davek

just seen ken gibsons report in todays sun.
what cars security test on 38 cars & the impreza was BOTTOM!!!
The worrying thing is a daewoo took 3 secs. to open & still finished 14 places higher???

OdD KiDS OtHeR MatE

doesn't read well then...
Best get some more security just in case. I hear Dogs are a good deterrant! and they can easily be moved from car to car!

IN THE STICKS

Disclock ?

barrybudden

As long as they keep putting windows in cars they will be easy to steal

T2000PPP

Stop it.Im paranoid enough allready.

Hanslow

So what were the top ten hardest cars to break into?

Duck_Pond

See here

nickthehead

Time to buy a tracker I think.

MattW

Read it properly, it scored low marks as it has no visible etching or Vin number. It took 51 secs to get in to the car which compared well with mainbstream rivals.

Mike P

Easy to steal doesn't mean most stolen, though, does it?

If you check the governments official car theft figues the Impreza is not particularly at risk.

Find the report here:
http://www.crimereduction.co.uk/cti2001.htm - it's a big pdf, Impreza is page 23 I think.

Scoobs only fall into the moderate risk category, and as far as I can see hardly any "valuable" cars are low risk. One of the few are older TVRs, but that's probably because you can't start them .

It could happen, it does happen, but there's no reason to get wound up about it any more than an owner of any other high perfomance car.

GU5

I thought it was easiest to get into, not easiest to steal

Skittles

Well atleast it means you won't get a bunch of guys pointing a shotgun in your fact at 4am demanding your keys... and your chances of being car-jacked are less.

Judge

On the upside theiving junky ****** are the easiest to kick the crap out of so if you find one around your car try out a few moves you saw on a Jackie Chan movie,they wont have the strength to fight back anyway!

Dazza's-STi

Not sure how which did the test but I think Autocar do a yearly security test of most makes and I'd trust them more... Saying that 51sec to get in! oh dear! good job mine got a tracker and CAT1!

ALi-B

iTrader: (1)

What a load of B0ll0cks [img]images/smilies/mad.gif[/img]

In reality they are only testing the scoobs "standard" security systems.

ANYONE who relies on a desirable car's standard security system gets no sympathy from me if the car gets nicked. (sorry if it sounds a bit harsh)

Most people can't get insured on a scoob unless it had a CAT1 system or a traker, so in the "Real world" the scoob is far harder to nick because of the insurers and paranoia forcing owners to use aftermarket security devices. So the report has no relevance to an "average" scoob.


[Edited by ALi-B - 11/4/2003 12:26:31 PM]

Graz

They probably are quite easy to break into, pillarless doors may it easy to pull the glass away so as to leave a gap for tampering. However if it's got a CAT1 alarm/immboliser, mine has, then surely it's just as hard to steal as any other car with a CAT1 system? Thought that was what the Thatcham approval process was supposed to be about?

Arthur Fowler

...but doesn't the MY03 model have CAT1 as standard (and hence tested)?

And neither of these devices would affect the speed to break into the car that was their main criticism.

Arthur

ALi-B

iTrader: (1)

Ahh, if it's just breaking in, well that's a differnt story.

Anyone who breaks into a car "neatly" ...i.e with minimal damage are the ones who will want to nick the car...in which case the scoob is an easy target...BUT the CAT1 stuff will stop the car from being nicked. A disclock will help prevent the car being towed.

Now if the car was being broken into for goods, (bags, radio etc.) then a theif will just smash the glass - why bother messing? In which case ALL cars with glass are as vunerable

Paulo P

iTrader: (42)

It's all b0llocks really If you make your car hard to steal they either break into your house of car jack you to get the keys. If they want it they will have no matter what you do now All you can do is deter them these days

Paul

dr_ming

MY03 only has CAT1 because of the (essentially) after-market Sigma alarm system. Looking at the wiring diagram (as any determined thief would do - although I'm not one, I hasten to add!), the factory immobiliser (the transponder in the key) is easy to bypass - which is why it's not Thatcham approved - and the Sigma system is not much harder once you know where the harness connectors are. I would imagine it would take less than 10 mins for a thief to be away with a MY03 car that only has the standard Subaru security.

A disclok or a barrier deadlock is a nice visible deterrent that requires making a lot of noise to remove, getting the glass etched acts as a deterrent for ringers, and a Blakjax and or tracker will help get the car back if your keys get nicked (but can still be bypassed/disabled). Beyond that, if they want it that badly, theyre gonna take it.

Sad state of the sh1te-hole of a country we live in, I guess.

akshay67

recent car on here got stolen - had disklock on - apparent rated at '5mins' removal time

Mickle

If thieves want something bad enough they are gonna take it. Let's just hope no-one gets hurt in the process

iDLe*

Its BS - did they actually TAKE the cars during this test??

This is a real test if they break in and steal the car, If the Scoobs comes out top of that then I'm worried. But I don't think it will as half the cars above it have no active security.

Its a bunch of a$$!

ALi-B

iTrader: (1)

If it's a true Thatcham install, there should be no connectors - it should all be hard-wired. The only way to by-pass thatcham immobilsers is either to trace the wiring to find the places to bridge out the immobiliser, or run live feeds directly to the immobilised components (i.e fuel pump and starter). All of this is time consuming. And reqiurers a thief with a bit of brains - that's why they just take the keys intsead

dr_ming

This is true for aftermarket systems, but the Sigma system is now fitted at the factory (according to the dealers), and is quite well integrated into vehicle's electrical system. Thus I think, from the Thatcham perspective, it is considered factory fit, which has a different set of guidelines.

For factory fitted/integrated security systems, Thatcham dictates guidelines for cable routing, connector types, pin allocation etc., but it does not outlaw connectors per-se, because this is incompatible with the manufacturing line porocesses. (I designed parts of the security system for the BMW Mini, and this definately has connectors AND Thatcham approval - and is a damn sight more difficult to bypass than that of the Impreza).

Assuming the wiring diagrams I have for the >MY01 cars is correct, there are connectors for the Sigma system, and you could make a bypass harness without too much difficulty. Getting the trim out of the way is the biggest impediment.

Also, don't assume all thieves are stupid, they aren't (although many are ). Professional ringers/vehicle exporters want to do the minimum amount of damage possible to your car when stealing it, so they will invest considerable time in researching the vehicles weaknesses to do just that.

Of course, for the stupid ones, kicking your front door down and nicking the keys is the easy option.

Fizz

iTrader: (1)

at last one advantage of getting a Euro import...... no alarm system so I bunged on a clifford and extra gizmo's ;-)

Buzzer

I'd be interested to here how the Disklok was taken off. I wonder if the thief had a battery powered grinder on him by chance

Harry_Boy

Me too Fizz

misty

Mine has the barrier deadlock fitted. This device is welded to the transmission tunnel, and is activated by pushing in a steel pin with the car in reverse. It could still be nicked but you'd look a proper tw*t driving everywhere in reverse!
dave