Subaru programme
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Subaru programme
At the end of this year Subaru will introduce a new Forester and Impreza.
For Subaru should this be the moment to do something about their programme. Today it seems to be slightly unbalanced when you look at an Impreza 2.0 with 125 PS and a WRX with 100 PS more and a breache from 80 PS between the Legacy 2.5 and the new six cylinder.
The six cylinder produces 82 PS per liter, while the 2.0 and 2.5 liters only have 68.5 PS and 66 PS per liters. Leaving a big gap between the six- and the four cylinder engines. If the four cylinders would produce 80 PS per liter they would have a net power of 160 and 200 to 210 PS; giving Subaru a much more balanced and competitive programme.
Unfortunately the four cylinders are so new that we cannot expect that Subaru will put more power into them.
Still, when you look at the Subaru models that are offered on the different markets in the world they could come up with the following programme for Europe:
Impreza:
2.0 TS: 138 PS To replace the 1.6 TS.
2.5 TS: 165 PS For a better performance.
2.0 GT: 177 PS Engine from the current Forester 2.0 XT (2.0 liter while Subaru needs a 2.0 liter for the WRC)
2.5 WRX: 250 PS Engine used in the Legacy 2.0 GT in the USA
2.5 STi: 300 PS Engine used in the STi in the USA
Forester:
2.5 X: 165 PS Same engine as in the Impreza and the Legacy
2.5 XT: 210 PS Engine from the American Forester turbo and Baja turbo
2.5 STi: 250 PS Engine used in the Legacy 2.0 GT in the USA
Legacy:
2.5i: 165 PS Current 2.5 but then as a standard instead of the 2.0 liter
2.5 XT: 210 PS Engine from the American Forester turbo and Baja turbo
3.0: 245 PS Current six cylinder with automatic and six speed manual transmission
3.0 TT*: 350 PS The B11S prototype has a Twin Turbo with 400 PS, so this must be possible
* Instead of the Twin Turbo Subaru could use a hybrid for the strongest Legacy.
A programme that will make Subaru more the premium brand they like to be.
Greetings,
SRX!
For Subaru should this be the moment to do something about their programme. Today it seems to be slightly unbalanced when you look at an Impreza 2.0 with 125 PS and a WRX with 100 PS more and a breache from 80 PS between the Legacy 2.5 and the new six cylinder.
The six cylinder produces 82 PS per liter, while the 2.0 and 2.5 liters only have 68.5 PS and 66 PS per liters. Leaving a big gap between the six- and the four cylinder engines. If the four cylinders would produce 80 PS per liter they would have a net power of 160 and 200 to 210 PS; giving Subaru a much more balanced and competitive programme.
Unfortunately the four cylinders are so new that we cannot expect that Subaru will put more power into them.
Still, when you look at the Subaru models that are offered on the different markets in the world they could come up with the following programme for Europe:
Impreza:
2.0 TS: 138 PS To replace the 1.6 TS.
2.5 TS: 165 PS For a better performance.
2.0 GT: 177 PS Engine from the current Forester 2.0 XT (2.0 liter while Subaru needs a 2.0 liter for the WRC)
2.5 WRX: 250 PS Engine used in the Legacy 2.0 GT in the USA
2.5 STi: 300 PS Engine used in the STi in the USA
Forester:
2.5 X: 165 PS Same engine as in the Impreza and the Legacy
2.5 XT: 210 PS Engine from the American Forester turbo and Baja turbo
2.5 STi: 250 PS Engine used in the Legacy 2.0 GT in the USA
Legacy:
2.5i: 165 PS Current 2.5 but then as a standard instead of the 2.0 liter
2.5 XT: 210 PS Engine from the American Forester turbo and Baja turbo
3.0: 245 PS Current six cylinder with automatic and six speed manual transmission
3.0 TT*: 350 PS The B11S prototype has a Twin Turbo with 400 PS, so this must be possible
* Instead of the Twin Turbo Subaru could use a hybrid for the strongest Legacy.
A programme that will make Subaru more the premium brand they like to be.
Greetings,
SRX!
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No, I mean only the same models that are offered in the current programme.
Only the engines could use more power to compete.
What I see as a realy big mistake is to rename the Suzuki Ignis into the Justy
instead of making a real Subaru.
Maybe not quite as economical, but with a smaller and lighter body on the Impreza
platform - lets say a length of 4 meters and a weight of 900 kilograms - would be a
much better proposition then the Justy is now. Then a 1.6 liter would be sufficient,
but with the 177 PS engine from the Forester XT it would already be a kind of rocket.
Not to mention when you put the 225 PS from the current WRX into such a model.
Greetings,
SRX!
Only the engines could use more power to compete.
What I see as a realy big mistake is to rename the Suzuki Ignis into the Justy
instead of making a real Subaru.
Maybe not quite as economical, but with a smaller and lighter body on the Impreza
platform - lets say a length of 4 meters and a weight of 900 kilograms - would be a
much better proposition then the Justy is now. Then a 1.6 liter would be sufficient,
but with the 177 PS engine from the Forester XT it would already be a kind of rocket.
Not to mention when you put the 225 PS from the current WRX into such a model.
Greetings,
SRX!
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Originally Posted by SRX
At the end of this year Subaru will introduce a new Forester and Impreza.
For Subaru should this be the moment to do something about their programme. Greetings,
SRX!
For Subaru should this be the moment to do something about their programme. Greetings,
SRX!
As you stated here, new models are afoot Subaru have made vast improvements to The "Classic" Scoob in strenth and design but it has a weight penalty and has lost choice and looks in some peeps eyes
Subaru also dropped amount of Model variations, maybe their looking at 2 door version of the Impreza or just Brand new 2 door model perhaps a cross between a justy and an Impreza LOL
Regards,
Tony
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