ARRON BIRD

Went to Power Engineering yesterday with Steve as his Evo wasnt running well.
Got that sorted thanks to Merv,Chris and Flash.
MR340 in 5th gear 340bhp with 300 ft/lb torque 2500 miles and in 4th 328 I think??
WR1 in 5th gear 326bhp and in 4th gear 311 but a good 310ft/lb torque 600 miles.
Dont understand the gear bit as Steve`s car was less in 4th
So my WR1 is 326????? or 311???
Very nice work to mapper at Prodrive for a very neat and tidy curve

dc911

Would say it is 326bhp as 5th gear is closest to 1:1 i think

comic cuts

Well done Power Engineering.....must have been very well set up to obtain such good figures. Recent Scoobycity figures showed up some 315 BHP outputs at Clive Atthowes in Norwich. Nice to see some good feedback on the WR1. It really does do what it's supposed to!

ARRON BIRD

Must depend on the final drive ratio.
Both cars 6 speed?????

TonyBurns

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5th is the figure you want to take it from Arron, those are pretty nice figures, not quite as good in the torque department as my JDM car but not bad
You should give her another run when she's got 6-7k on the clock, hopefully you will get the run in readings by then

Tony

ARRON BIRD

Apparently all Subaru`s go on 4th ?
There faces seemed to light up in diss belief at 326 I was chuffed.
Then they siad we`ll do it in 4th ???
Dont care it does seem much stronger than my 02 STI ppp.
Very happy.
I`ll put it on again when I have some more miles but I run things in my own special way
It`ll be 400 bhp easy by then

TonyBurns

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Only in 4th if you have a 5 speed box, 5th on a 6 speed

Tony

ARRON BIRD

Is that so I can go arouns saying its 326 then
Must admit the MR is about right in comparison then but who cares

TonyBurns

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yep 326bhp
Tony

ARRON BIRD

Right I`ll phone up Prodrive and complain that my car doesnt do what it says on the tin
It has more power than it should!!

T5NYW

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Arron,
Great result for the WR1, No heat soak excuses, it can't be proper PPP surely

What setting did you have on the DCCD LOL

Tony

bash

Just wondering if there was much difference on the road between
the MR340 and WR1.....surely you guys could not resist.....


Bash

achad

In a straight line (slightly up hill) there was no difference between a mr340 and my wr1 (the mr did only have about 1000 miles on the clock, i had about 3000 i think...) In 1st 2nd gear I had to change gear a little early as i got a better start (was behind him) but upto 80 90 ish there was **** all in it. This unfortunately was the only 'tussle' we had not conclusive I know. The 340 is visibly very responsive in the throttle department though, smilier to my friends specC. ah to have a twin scroll

I would love to hear how the bird boy got on though

achad

Arron,
congrats on achieving the figures

gridgway

wot does that lot mean then? How can the engine produce diff bhp in diff gears? Load of old twaddle. A decent rr uses the coast down losses to get from the activity at the back wheels to bhp at the flywheel. So the gear shouldn't make a difference. Higher gears are used to do the job at higher roller speeds and cut down on wheel spin.

Graham

T5NYW

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Graham sorry but IMHO the above statement is not quite right.

Time/load is the key issue IIRC

Like Arron the Engine 'Peeked' to early in 4th. If there was slightly more load on the R/Road he may have achieve full Boost in 4th. In 5th gear the Engine loading was greater, (taking longer) and thus achieving Full Boost.

Even on a road, even with plenty of grip, you never see full boost in low gears. However if on a steep hill in 2nd and it took a simular time to go from 3000-7000rpm as it does in 4th you'd see the same levels of boost. IMHO

Hope this helps,

Tony

johnfelstead

you need a higher gear to pull the load, to make the turbo produce the boost. It doesnt matter what gear you are in as far as the value of the torque/power being valid for that gear, but to gain max torque/power the turbo must be boosting fully so either 5th or 6th is needed on the 6 speed box.

ARRON BIRD

Crikey I`ve opened up a can of worms here
Steve`s happy cos he wants the higher figure.
Me I`m just a little confused.
The diff was in Auto by the way.
All I can say is so far I have had no heat soak issues like my old STI did and the car seems a lot smoother everywhere but it is still pretty new I guess.
Done 950 miles now after a trip to Brum last night
On the handling stakes I would like the whole car to feel a lot "tighter".
Los of jumping around and feels a little nervous.
I`m being very picky here most folk would say it was perfect but its not as lets face it you can always make a standard car better.

The damping is not progressive enough for me.
Not sure if the ride height needs to be lower or its just the spring and damper rate.
Will have to consult the Oracle
90 down the motorway 4 up last night is not that pleasant a very bumpy experience and lots of tram lining but I reckon a lot of that is down to the tyres which I am not a fan off.
Need to tighten the whole package up so its off to a land far away soon to get the geom checked and some minor modifications to start with and I`ll go from there.
What I would really like is a more progressive package that tightens and stiffens as you drive harder.
But I will have to do my research.
Change of dampers for me I think so I can soften it off for the road a little but decrease the roll.
Rear bar on too.
Understeer is evident but very minor if you bat into a roundabout too fast then try and drive it like a normal Scoob.
Need a slightly slower in approach then get on the gas and its oversteer city really.
Nice.
Its a great car tho I love it.

George W Bush

Aaron, have you tried a 05 sti yet?? I've just come back after 2 yrs on the darkside. I am NOT trying to start a WR1 vs 05 Sti argument, but the ride is so, so good in mine...I am chuffed to bits even though its not run in yet..

Agree with you on the blue seats though, doesnt go with crystal grey AT ALL, nor do the gold wheels...mine ended up costing just shy of £30,000..PFF7 (have to wait 3 weeks) and PPP (at first service)

Happy driving! They are both awesome cars!

ARRON BIRD

I havnt mate no.
I know I can produce what I want for this car tho so I`m not worried.
As standard its pretty good honestly most people would say so but I`m a fussy *******.
The tyres make a lot of difference.
The tyres on the 05 car are mental.
Put some P Zero Nero`s on it and see how much difference that makes straight away.....loads I bet.
I like the Michelin Pilot Sports meeeeeeself.
Transformed my old cars handling.
I`ll probably wait till I have a set of those on till I start tinkering so I knoe I have a good base tyre to start with

ARRON BIRD

Yes but the Ice Blue one is better ok!!

George W Bush

Im not rising to the bait...

Type_RA

now if you can get it to 380bhp to give it 260bhp/ton I would be tempted

Gear Head

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So much for not taking it over 4k for the first 1000miles!!!

ARRON BIRD

I dont do that running in like that bit.
Under 4k for first 1000 then ragging it cos it says thats ok is bollox.
I run in the sensible pick it up a little at a time way.
Produces a well run in vehicle.

terryb

Interesting. In the EVO group test earlier this year the road tester stated that as he (driving my very own P1) accelerated behind the WR1 - (both giving it full acceleration) there was absolutely nothing in it. This would therefore suggest that there would be nothing in it between a P1 and MR340. Just goes to show that on road in real life situations there isn't a great deal between 280bhp and 340bhp. Mind you I've had mine remapped by Bob Rawle since - so would be nice to try the same test again...

And in a recent trackday, I was pursuing an EVO VIII FQ300 and was catching in on the straight (well it's not very straight) at Castle Combe.. Now that was good..

ARRON BIRD

As the P1 was a lighter car this would explain why there was little in it in terms of acceleration, however from 60 to over a ton I would expect the higher powered WR1 to pull away due to the extra grunt which counts for more at high speeds than 100KGs or so.
I seriously doubt wether your P1 would be on a par with an MR340 though for the simple reason that it weighs nearly 100 KGS less than a WR1 and if you take the dyno figures in 5th gear in to account is 14BHP up in the power stakes as well.

computerangel

Mr Bird, I have has the geometry done on my WR1 @ Powerstation and a change of the Pirellis to a Goodyear F1, my preferred choice, the response on the steering is amazing. Powerstation were pretty surprised that the car went in a straight line TBH. Of course this did nothing for the 'Bumpy' nature of the car.
Enjoyable to hear your running in procedure, a friendly dealer you must have then. Mine was quite proud to ask me where i had managed to get the MY03 ppp Wagon up to 125 in front of a load of other customers, but hay ho, of course it's on a private test track. Personally i hate them seeing the date in the brain, hope that you clear yours before the 1000 service as i was instructed to keep it below 4k or i would invalidate the warranty !!

P.s the pirellis lasted 4800 miles, and they were poor, no wet weather grip and plenty of understeer, F1's have pretty much cured this.

T5NYW

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I tried those MP 2's and don't rate them, yet might be better after a trackday and generated some heat into them. Bridgestne SO2's were far better on the road after being tracked IMHO

gridgway

as an ex P1 and now 340 owner, I can say that the 340 feels faster ie feels like it has 340 bhp to the P1's 260. Mind you I am never sure how much difference this makes in back to back comparison. Driving round castle combe for example in a 135 bhp caterham I am keeping up with my mate in a 200bhp one. That's odd!

Re the earlier comment about having to use a higher gear on the RR to get to full boost, surely the rr controls how quickly you accelerate so in theory you could do it in any gear.

Graham