I'm still torn between buying an STI or an Evo 8 at the moment.

Im swaying towards the Evo slightly for performance values alone but am put off by the 4500 miles service periods.

So to cut to the chase is there any STI versions that could out perform most evos tuned or otherwise??

Obviously im looking at spending 25k upwards so it needs to be the right decision.

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If you want a UK car to match the top Evo's you'll be waiting a while, 'til the rumoured 2.5 STi PPP @ 350bhp is out. Due November, but don't hold your breath.

 

Buy an Evo if ya can't drive ant-yaw and all it's electronics will get you round the bends for ya.

Buy a scoob if you want a 4*4 turbo motor and learn how to drive one

 

Or not, on the evidence presented last saturday

 

What sloblocks

The DCCD-A doobery bobby thing is probably more sophisticated than the ACD/AYC fitted to some of the Evo range meaning the Evo is the purer drive. Who the **** wants pure anyway ! Speed give me what I need . And for that an Evo is probably better, specially when the modding disease takes hold. Still miss the old flat 4 decat warble though .

 

Im swaying towards the Evo slightly for performance values alone but am put off by the 4500 miles service periods.

I gather the EVO 260 has longer service intervals and my mate who sells them reckons that they are nearer 280BHP though he wouldn't have an evo as an every day car!

 

Wrong, same service interavls, however they have a free servicing offer.

 

low 20MPG along with more regular services and it looks a tad expensive to run for that little bit extra 0-60 powerman

 

My apologies if I am incorrect Mr Powerman1 but I would venture that u have not driven an Evo. Most are slower to 60 than an STI as the Evo is geared for 40+ in 1st and the Scooby aint. An Evos strength is not really about straight lines, especially not for the traffic light GP. Bends are where an Evo excels though they are pretty quick when they are already rolling. I would also say they *may* be more reliable mechanically over a longer period. My STI did 18 MPG my Evo does 26 MPG. 24K will be a nice 8 MR FQ340.

 

yes i have driven one and the figures i quote are only extracted from reading magazines and the like.the question of reliabilty is a little subjective because most scoobys and evos are extremely reliable and its usually abuse that will effect any cars reliability..i.e trackdays...continuous 0-60 starts..1/4 mile thrashes etc etc but it cant be disputed that the services are a little bit to frequent for anybodys wallet... powerman

 

Spec C mate. Better handling than an EVO - and with a little remap the twin-scroll turbo will de devastating

 

The one thing the EVO does lack which the Scoob WILL have in spades.....Character and Soul........

 

The AYC/ACD is WAY more sophisticated than any DCCD !!!! the ACD splits torque front/back, the AYC splits torque left/right on the rear axle on instructions from the CPU based on the cars pitch and yaw rates as well as steering and throttle inputs. As far as I know the DCCD only splits torque front/back.

However, it don't make the car go round corners by its self. It allows the chassis tuners to set up a car with no understeer without it being such an animal that it spins without warning. It does make the performance more accessable, getting my STi round a tight slippery bend without terminal understeer is much harder to do than my EVO was.

Both great cars though.

 

I had an evo 6gsr before the sti8 ppp I have now and from experience of having both cars:-

perfomance - The evo was quicker, the power rush was nearly instant and a quick steer was always guanteed.

looks - The scoob better looking.

service costs- No contest...the scoob wins hands down and you don't get that fab boxer zorst note from the evo!!!

 

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Performance comparisons are availiable here.

 

I do not believe this to be correct. AYC splits torque left to right on the rear axle yes. ACD does not move torque front to back where as DCCD does. ACD only governs the time it takes to release the the centre diff when u turn the steering wheel. In tarmac it is released immediately, in gravel mode it takes 2-3 secs and in snow it takes 5-6 secs. I think this makes the Subaru chasssis more advanced as the Evo is locked at 50:50 whereas the Scoob isn't .

Agreed both fab cars and the Evo is more expensive to service

Big power engine tuning on an Evo is easier than a Scooby I think. Have u guys heard on TOTB ? Ahem.

 

Your comparing two completely different cars though, one is quite a bit newer than the other.

I know of an evo that hasnt had an ayc service for 25000 and still going strong

 

Just my 2 pennies worth.....

The whloe EVO range has a £4000 off the RRP... Bargin.....
You can now get a MR for £23995 & poss free servicing, & the EVO 260 for £19995, WRC have done a conversion new zorst & remap etc...for £1700 & this takes the BHP up to 350bhp
I know which one i would buy if I was in the hunt for a new car.....

 

Easier, only if you've got enough money to throw at it. <cough, Andy F 10.5 for £20k inc. cost of car, cough>

If you don't plan to keep whatever car you buy for too long, the Evo 'should' be easier to sell on, with less depreciation in value.

Big STi vs. Evo thing in Japan on Sunday - will be nice to get the results of this one compared to the last one I had (which was pretty much even).

 

Wow 10.5 for 20K that is some acheivement ! Hats off. I've been to all the TOTB events but must of missed that.

I think what u said in the last line pretty much sums most of it up really. They are pretty much even by and large, the JDMs. Especially as the understeer has been tuned out of the newer cars, real shame the burble is gone I understand. 21K for a new 350HP Evo does seem like good value though. I love them both , fantastic cars. Looking forward to seeing the next gen Scooby and Evo (the X, the IX is not a radical step forward).

 

I've had 2 Evo's (MR340'S with decat) Fast yes, but throw them into a corner like you can the MY05 STI and you'd be having a conversation with farmer Giles in the next field intead of going round the corner.

I don't know where the idea of Evo's are good handling cars comes from. The Sti is far superiour.

Power wise they are outstanding, basically it's the same engine and they just up the power to what they want. When I wanted a decat fitting to the car the dealer did it no problem, try asking a Subaru dealer to do that.

Using it as a daliy driver I found hard after a while, and w@nkers want to steal it all the time, it's not worth the hassle.

 

Hmmm. Maybe its because Evos won the handling competition at TOTB the last 2 years (possibly 3, I can't remeber). And most people who have driven the cars seem to think the same thing. And most magazines and net reviews u read seem to think the Evo is superior. Hmmm maybe thats Y ?

 

Hmmm mabe it is. Each to his own, only my opinion, enough to get rid though. I thought it might have been the car but two the same.
I have had plenty of performance cars, and I am police advanced driver. But maybe it is me.

 

Can't say i've heard of it as a common complaint

 

Ah now if I knew that all would have been explained . I know a police advanced driver in the Midlands who managed to overturn a 911 on a road that I have flown down numerous time faster than he was going at the time. I also cracked up the other day watching him turn right out of a T junction right up the opposite kerb . No offence to you or your driving though. Just my experiences.

As you say and I agree with you. Each to his own.

 

Nail on the head hit!

I respected the Evo's performance immensely (EVO 6 GSR), but it left me a bit cold. Drove a Scooby and it just seemed a "nicer" car in several senses of the word Also, I'd fallen in love with the sound of the flat four!!

It's not like you'd feel hard done by in an Evo though is it? You'd certainly be going very quickly.

NS04

 

Had Blobeye with PPP, Brakes, Whitline kit ect, very nice car loved every minute of it, Now got MR 300 with Exhaust, Decat Fantastic piece of kit much harder edged than Scooby, still miss that flat four rumble! Would I come back yes, but it would have to be the real deal from the factory ie twin scroll turbo, HID's, rear wiper jap spec engine internals, three year warranty UK car free servicing ect, same as I get with the MR. No more short changing from IM in the UK!!

John

 

I'm coming back if we get 2.5 litre, 320HP / 320LB/FT out of the box. 05 suspension sounds good as does DCCDA. Do you get quick rack steering on the normal Scoobs now ? (I'm pretty sure u get it on the Spec C and the like). I think that makes a big difference to how reactive the car feels. A more Evo like (5sp) gearchange would be nice as well. If you got that and the old rumble back I'd sell up and get 1 tomorrow ! I only had an Evo really because I could get a brand new 280HP E7 RS2 for 20K

Edited to agree with both Glennage and NS04 about the character and soul but I expect without the burble some of this has gone ?

 

Nope, the ACD goes from almost fully locked to open under total control of the CPU, just like DCCD, its also fully integrated into the AYC programming. It does have three settings, but they are the basic torque split settings and affect the overall program settings of the AYC/ACD.

Hoever, the ACD is nice but the AYC is the more advanced thing. Actually, the AYC does not quite split the torque left to right. Technically it actually speeds up or slows down the left hand wheel with regard to the speed of the right hand wheel though this obviously affects the torque split. This allows it to impart a certain amount of rear steer as well as acting as an LSD, (got an old one in the garage, facinating to take to bits).

Mind you, the Skyline GTR V-Spec is even more advanced (Side wheel drive anyone ?)

One thing though, the EVO does not have the soul of the STi, I love the sound but am having pangs for another EVO.

Compshac, suprised by your comments. My EVO handled better than my STi (not by much and the grip is the same(ish)). The EVO (at least the V anyway) feels at first as if it would be a spin freak and indeed at lower speeds it does oversteer nicely, but at higher speeds they are fantastically stable without the nasty understeer the standard STi suffers.

 

Only the JDMs lose the burble mate, owing to the use of more efficient equal length manifolds. The UK models retain the unequal length ones and, hence, the burble. I spoke with the Subaru's PR head honcho a little while ago and he said Subaru UK know that the way the car sounds is important to their UK customers -that's why they make a big deal of it in the brochures- and they have no inention of seeing it go for a few extra bhp yet!

I'm told even the JDMs still sound very nice......but I'd hate to loose that burble!

NS04