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20 June 2005, 02:44 AM
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wagons.......
Why is it thery're cheaper to buy and harder to sell than saloons? The way I see it the two are pretty much the same perfomance but wagons have added practicality and (in my opinion) look better as they look less sporty and are more stealthy....................
...Is there something about Wagons I dont know that I really should?!!!!
...Is there something about Wagons I dont know that I really should?!!!!
20 June 2005, 09:16 AM
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Nope, wagons are the choice of the discerning scooby driver, and as always with elite groups they are few and far between.
Basically the chav brigade isn't interested in them as its trickier to put a massive spoiler on the back of a wagon.
Basically the chav brigade isn't interested in them as its trickier to put a massive spoiler on the back of a wagon.
20 June 2005, 09:21 AM
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Agree with De Warrenne 
I'm on my second scoob wagon (an MY00 and now an MY05) and I didn't really consider the saloon. I think the wagon is better looking, more discreet and less likely to attract chavs/pikeys etc etc. I didn't even consider a saloon when buying my MY05.
I think if you bought a WRX saloon you'd hanker after an STi as it's the next model up in the range but I'm not sure I could live with the gold wheels and big spoiler, don't get me wrong I don't think they look bad but I prefer my cars to be a bit less in your face.
Go for it.
Wagon's rule
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I'm on my second scoob wagon (an MY00 and now an MY05) and I didn't really consider the saloon. I think the wagon is better looking, more discreet and less likely to attract chavs/pikeys etc etc. I didn't even consider a saloon when buying my MY05.I think if you bought a WRX saloon you'd hanker after an STi as it's the next model up in the range but I'm not sure I could live with the gold wheels and big spoiler, don't get me wrong I don't think they look bad but I prefer my cars to be a bit less in your face.
Go for it.
Wagon's rule
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20 June 2005, 09:39 AM
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here here...my black wagon has got the SL and PPP pack, it looks and sounds DEMONIC!, I am only 28 and did not even consider the saloon, personaly did not think it looked half as nice?
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20 June 2005, 10:55 AM
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I thought about buying a saloon, but the Mrs had the final say 
The newage took some time to grow on me, but after I lowered it and threw on a few front cosmetics.... I now love the look of it
Before...
After...
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The newage took some time to grow on me, but after I lowered it and threw on a few front cosmetics.... I now love the look of it
Before...
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20 June 2005, 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by pslewis
Remember Wagons are faster and better handling 'out the box'!!
An often overlooked fact!
Pete
An often overlooked fact!
Pete
as you are talking some sense for once.
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20 June 2005, 05:41 PM
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Im so glad people out there share my views.......that really has confirmed my thoughts....cheers guys.......I Am so glad to have the wagon.......so liberating after owning a toyota starlet gt turbo!! So if im not mistaken the wagons are cheaper (and according to us) better?! Great!! I like them cos they are as fast as saloons but chavs dont lke em much! Ive got a 97 wagon and I love it!!
20 June 2005, 06:15 PM
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I love this thread! I have a '96 wagon and i love her to bits, 105k and still going strong, used every day, does 25k per year and very rarely complains. She gets called a transit by the other half but who does he come running to when he cant get his ladder in his car?? 
20 June 2005, 07:29 PM
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Originally Posted by scoobfan
Wagons rule.
And if anyone thinks they can't mix it with the saloons
then they should have been at the Pod yesterday !
Rob
And if anyone thinks they can't mix it with the saloons
then they should have been at the Pod yesterday !
Rob
First time at the Pod and had a great saturday collecting scalps on the strip.
My Reddish Blue UK Turbo Wagon, Scorpion decat downpipe and system, otherwise bog standard.
Worked my way down to a 14.236 on the 5th run easily taking a MIVEC FTO, Civic VTEC & CIVIC Type R along the way; unfortunately lost by a moral 2 tenths to a chipped FQ300.
Well chuffed and it could take days to remove the grin.
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20 June 2005, 07:45 PM
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Originally Posted by pslewis
Also, no self-respecting car thief worth his salt is gonna' want to nick it!!
Pete
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The wagons offer the performance of saloons and can carry greater load.....due to bootspace......I love it!!! Just need some stuff to carry now............
20 June 2005, 08:03 PM
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Squadron-Leader's 'Wagon looks nice in silver doesn't it? This is the first time that Ive been tempted to swap my Classic JDM 'Wagon..... for a Bug-eye JDM 'Wagon of course.
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20 June 2005, 08:23 PM
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Just a shade over £7,000 at auction for a manual GGA '03, although; for that money you could get a GGB 2002 STI 'Wagon too..... Its tempting isnt it?
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20 June 2005, 08:45 PM
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Originally Posted by pslewis
Remember Wagons are faster and better handling 'out the box'!!
An often overlooked fact!
Pete
An often overlooked fact!
Pete
The Wagon had IIRC higher static ( off boost ) compression ratios so was a bit more sprightly than the saloons, due to the wagon having a TD04 ( smaller ) turbo than the saloon TD05. Also, IIRC again the wagon was a little lower geared ( as a load carrier allegedly ) and a little lighter, which helped the handling / balance, and acceleration times.
IIRC yet again, Wagon was 2 MPH slower at top speed but 0.1 mph faster to 60 mph against similar saloon ( wrx vs wrx, STi vs STi )
20 June 2005, 08:59 PM
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Hmmm back again, just remembered some fast cars, such as :
Harvey's STi Wagon
Harvey's WRX wagon
P20SPD's green Wagon,
Wallis' wagon
Burr's wagon,
mine
and more I forgot..!
Wagons rule!!!
See ya all at Well lane 11 on 10 July ??
Harvey's STi Wagon
Harvey's WRX wagon
P20SPD's green Wagon,
Wallis' wagon
Burr's wagon,
mine
and more I forgot..!
Wagons rule!!!
See ya all at Well lane 11 on 10 July ??
20 June 2005, 09:28 PM
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Cough, splutter ... where could you get an STI wagon for £7k ish?
X.
Cough, splutter ... where could you get an STI wagon for £7k ish?
X.
Originally Posted by GC8
Just a shade over £7,000 at auction for a manual GGA '03, although; for that money you could get a GGB 2002 STI 'Wagon too..... Its tempting isnt it?
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20 June 2005, 09:38 PM
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Japan; ¥1,415,000 average price. Japan side costs will be about £700; shipping £400, with Import Duty and VAT youll be looking at about £10,500. SVA (not E-SVA and thats as much as Im telling...) will be an inconvenience but its not insurmountable.....
Not an option thats available to most people I know, but there you have it.
Simon
and thats as much as Im telling...) will be an inconvenience but its not insurmountable.....Not an option thats available to most people I know, but there you have it.
Simon
20 June 2005, 09:51 PM
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Originally Posted by vulnax999
Yep! Agree twice in 1 post Pete... that's lost me credibility mate!!!!
The Wagon had IIRC higher static ( off boost ) compression ratios so was a bit more sprightly than the saloons, due to the wagon having a TD04 ( smaller ) turbo than the saloon TD05. Also, IIRC again the wagon was a little lower geared ( as a load carrier allegedly ) and a little lighter, which helped the handling / balance, and acceleration times.
IIRC yet again, Wagon was 2 MPH slower at top speed but 0.1 mph faster to 60 mph against similar saloon ( wrx vs wrx, STi vs STi )
The Wagon had IIRC higher static ( off boost ) compression ratios so was a bit more sprightly than the saloons, due to the wagon having a TD04 ( smaller ) turbo than the saloon TD05. Also, IIRC again the wagon was a little lower geared ( as a load carrier allegedly ) and a little lighter, which helped the handling / balance, and acceleration times.
IIRC yet again, Wagon was 2 MPH slower at top speed but 0.1 mph faster to 60 mph against similar saloon ( wrx vs wrx, STi vs STi )
Both use the same gearing/TD04 infact the engine is identical. Only later wagons ARE heavier, significantly narrower in width and track and higher, hence the slower figure's out of the box..!
If you doubt this please consult the official Subaru figures..
20 June 2005, 10:00 PM
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Just for you I'll change it ... !
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Just for you I'll change it ... !
G.
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Btw; your adding a kiss at the bottom of your posts makes me extremely uncomfortable.... I dont even know you!
20 June 2005, 10:04 PM
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If wagons are the same in performance and handling to the saloon, why dont subaru use them as there rally cars?? there must be some reason why the saloon is better
21 June 2005, 12:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Stiver3
If wagons are the same in performance and handling to the saloon, why dont subaru use them as there rally cars?? there must be some reason why the saloon is better
Wagons are run by some independant rally teams however.
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