catmeat

Could i still get ppp put on my classic scoob,its a my2000 turbo x reg.

magic rat

yes i had it done last july on the same model with 46k on the clock ive owned it from new it cost 1600 from main dealer fitted well worth it the car feels like it could fly in comparison to before

catmeat

Mines done 69k fssh,what bhp does subaru rate your car at now?

magic rat

i think prodrive quote 260 plus and 0-60 in 4.5 seconds or thereabout

catmeat

Did u get any warranty from subaru when fitted or was there a disclaimer eg engine,gearbox at your own risk?

SCD Simon

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For my MY99 Wagon
I bought a K & N panel filter, Samco hoses, Magnex Zorst (mid section and back box) and a 2nd hand Prodrive ECU off the ole Scoobynet.
All in it cost £700
R/R 250bhp & 242lb/ft (still has downpipe cat)

Daz34

239bhp 259lbs ft

0-60 5.1 (ish)

magic rat

no i got a certificate from prodrive to say it was fitted properly but the car was outside the 3yr warranty it was fitted july 04 ive given it plenty of stick and had no problem,i wouldnt worry on that score ive not heard of any trouble and know quite a few who have had classics prodrived

SCD Simon

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Follow my lead and save £900

Daz34

I totally agree.

PhilA

Being an X reg it won't be long before your warranty renewal jumps to £1200.
Get the bits second hand.
ECU £300 (max)
Backbox £150
Intercooler Pipe £30-£70

Beastie

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The PPP gives you 237Bhp and 260lbft of torque on a MY2000.

scooby_matt

I think i'll stick with an Ecutek remap and full decat

Luminous

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What's the intercooler pipe that ppl are on about? Is the worth doing when i go for a full decat and Tek3?

(I have a MY99 UK Turbo)

PhilA

The intercooler pipe (directly under the intercooler) is made from cheap plastic. On the PPP and STI cars this is metal with samco type hoses. Samco also make a one piece hose which will be good enough.
PPP uses more boost so they fit a better hose to manage it.

PPP with a full de-cat will see 270BHP and 266 lb/ft of torque. If you want higher you'll have to stick to Tek3.

Phil

Luminous

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Not sure what to do then Did not realise that the PPP with a full decat would be able to give so much power.

Its the resale value of the car that I am concerned about. I think I may just go for the Tek3 cos at least its mapped to the car specifically

Oh and thanks for the info

PhilA

any impreza with a full de-cat will see 15-25 bhp increase depending on the exhaust used.

resale value is tricky: those into mods will prefer a Tek3 but those not into inpreza's would probably want PPP as it's an "official" mod.

TonyBurns

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Your looking at about 250bhp, they recommend you use super unleaded to get the best out of the map (its a 97 ron map), torque is normally around the 250lbs mark, sometimes more, sometimes less (mostly less).

Tony

PhilA

Tonyburns: the figures you quote are usually obtainable without the de-cat AFAIK.

We have a handfull of RB5's with PPP and they all get between 260-275BHP with full de-cat and jap spec exhausts (HKS, Blitz etc.) usually with a panel filter or an induction kit.

One guy has 270BHP without the PPP, just exhaust and filter etc.

Luminous

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My local mechanic is suggesting that I go for a Grp N full decat exhaust. At £450 (inc fitting) for the whole thing (turbo back) it seems like a really good deal.

Why do other people tend to go for Blitz, HKS etc. They seem to be very expensive when compared to the one I have been offered.

PhilA

This is just what I have been told:
but jap exhausts are the best quality around and usually produce the most power. don't know why, maybe it's made up.

scoobimax

I've a MY99 UK Turbo with full Magnex de-cat and an ITG panel filter at the moment running at 238 bhp and similar torque. Thinking about a re-map (Tek3 I think) in the near future which I'm told will take me to 265 ish bhp - not sure on the torque. The re-map's looking at about £650-£700.

Interesting thread though.

remfanuk

whats the main difference with changing the ecu? more boost? what ecu would i have to look out for, i have my00 classic...though it has a green panel filter and a centre decat and was r/r'd at 233bhp?

TAINTON

Think its a brand issue....people always seem to buy the more expensive stuff even if its no better than the cheaper option (badge snobbery).

DIPSY

Scoobimax i have my2000uk turbo. Turbo back decat and jr panel filter and tek3 i am sure i am running more than 265bhp i have 18psi of boost pressure out of the tdo4 it was remaped by Andy f

pappasmurf

PPP and Tek3 remaps give varying degrees of increase in power and torque depending on the car and what rolling road you use.
I have a MY00 Classic UK turbo with full H&S decat, STI panel filter and Tek 3 remap running on optimax which was rolling roaded at Clive Atthowes in Norwich at 247 bhp and 253 lbs ft torque.(some other rolling roads may give me higher figures) but most importantly the car gives smooth power delivery and has lots of useable torque lower down.
Combine this with uprated suspension, ARB, correct geometry setup and some good smooth driving and your laughing......at all those standard Sti and P1's in your rear view mirror..

PhilA

The PPP ECU has a different software map and runs 0.1/0.2 more boost, but most of all it gives loads more torque.

Pappasmurf: 247bhp and 253 lb/ft seems a little on the low side for a Tek3 remap. I would have expected a lot more.
A PPP ecu is far cheaper and Subaru quote fiqures of 238BHP and 258 lb/ft of torque. I bet you could gain at least another 10 bhp by running a full de-cat, probably a little more. And like your Tek3 the power comes in much lower down the rev range than normal.

"all those standard Sti and P1's in your rear view mirror"
I've no doubt your car is very quick but that's a bold claim to make against cars pushing 280bhp as standard.

Please don't take offense to my comments.

Phil

pappasmurf

PhilA, i agree that 247bhp/ 253lbs torque seem low for a tek3...i did expect nearer 260, but it may be the rolling road??...other rolling roads may give more? However, remap figures do vary widely and i do know others who are running around the 250 bhp mark with a similar set up to me. I run a full decat and had the car mapped by Bob Rawle.

I have to say that having a proper geometry set up and suspension mods is like gaining another 15 bhp and their are some cr@p P1 drivers around my way...

Jim_B

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My full de-cat MY00 / TEK2 gave 246BHP/240lbsft on the powerstation rollers. Again I thought/hoped it might have been more - but its probably a fairly accurate reading as a variety of other cars ran on the same day and std cars were giving 218BHP.
Noticed the boost on mine with the TEK2 only holds > 1 bar til about 5500 RPM - so guess that explains peek power being lower than I thought it would be.... I do notice the extra torque lower down though. Had wondered about getting it custom mapped - but keep thinking then I might not get enough of an increase to notice.. so perhaps should go for a VF35 too !