never driven a subaru.but looking to change our ctr and have whooped many a subaru on handling alone is subaru the way foward?????????

 

Duck for cover. WW3 away to break out.

 

unless u get an sti or high performance one, u will be dissapointed with its performance

 

I disagree. If he likes ctr then WRX is faster so he will like that as well. Not much faster mind but slightly faster so lets not start another one of these threads.

 

mate i made a dramatic change recently M3-sti.
and must confess im dissapointed with scooby ownership....so far

 

I went from a 02 CTR which i bought new and am now driving a 03 PPP STi Impreza. Two totally different cars and i can only imagine you've beaten many a Impreza in your CTR because either they was'nt trying or could'nt be arsed to try!

Problem with the CTR and many a Honda engine is the lack of Torque, very capable car above 6k RPM but below that it's all pretty gutless, many's a time on the motorway in the CTR i'd be left for dead @ 80 MPH in 6th gear by Diesel Golf's Focus's Mondeo's etc etc all beacause i was sitting @ 3500 RPM and when u put your foot down not a great deal happened, not something i'm getting much in the STi !

I'd not go back to the CTR, although the running costs and parts are cheaper, theres just too many CTR's about being driven by Chav's and with the new Civic out soon the price of them's only gonna go down and make them even more accesible to spotty 19 year olds who have just graduated from the Saxo club!

 

Troll.

I would think.

Dave
www.somephotositeorother.com

 

sorry if i have give the wrong impresion im not knocking subaru.just want to know best car for £14000 second hand

 

I sold a ctr after 6 months of (happy but not grintastic) ownership and came back to scoobyville!! Horses for courses and all that....

 

I just recently changed from a 02 CTR to a MY03 WRX with PPP.

IMHO there is no comparison, the Scooby is just streets ahead of the Civic!

Power - it's there on tap, all the time. No need to rev the life out of it to get going. And my Scoob would eat and **** my old CTR, no question.

Handling - so far, around the same, although the Scoob could do with new tyres. When it gets them I expect it will handle better. At the minute it is as good as the Civic was with new tyres.

Refinement - a much smoother, more comfortable drive than the Civic. It just feels much more expensive, although TBH the Civic's upholstery was nicer.

MPG - between 3 to 5 mpg less than I got in the Civic, which, considering the extra weight/power I am very pleased with.


Dont get me wrong, I loved my CTR and was very reluctant to sell it. In fact I only did so to get a 4 door car. But, now that I have made the change, I am very glad I did. The CTR was like a Go-kart, fast, but damn did it make my bones shake!!

The Scoob on the other hand, is faster still, comfortable and has bags of room for 5 passengers and a crap load of luggage. A no brainer for me.

 

With that budget you have loads of choice. Try WRX and if you want more you can still afford a tidy STI for that money.

 

I too had a civic type r for a couple of years.

Great car, but wife made me sell it when we moved house, & she thought I'd become obsessed with it!

Now in a new WRX, much easier to drive faster in real world conditions, ctr may (just) have upper hand on a track day, has a sublime gear change, but you'd really miss the grunt of the scoob.

 

cheers d16ger im not a troll just trying to find a alterntive the only reason were geting rid of the ctr is that after 100 miles or so you feel as though youve been rallying.old age kicking in

 

You're having a laugh mate, having owned two scoobs, an evo, and a ctr, the honda comes a convincing last. To noisy, to skitty, to revvy, not enough torque! I had it for 6 weeks before it drove me nuts..... never again.
dave

 

i would have thought it was the driver you whooped not the car... ctr is slower..both handle well

 

I know exactly what you mean, the CTR does not do your back much good after a long journey.

The Scoob on the other hand is great. Great comfort offered along with handling. I have driven a few long trips (100 - 200 miles) in the Scooby and have yet to feel uncomfortable, or more importantly sore at any point.

Go and take one for a test drive. I guarantee you will not be dissapointed. In fact I would almost bet you will be hooked

I have not driven one without PPP, so I cannot comment on the standard WRX, but the PPP version is fantastic. The increase in torque from the CTR is unbelievable!

EDIT - I forgot to mention, the way the Scoob delivers the power is so much better than the Civic, it just puts it down, the car does not twitch at all, it just goes. I can't tell you how many times the twitching the CTR did under heavy acceleration caused me to crap myself

 

oh and thats in the dry ...fwd sith in wet... way behind.....

 

As like a few above been there, done the CTR and now back in a Scooby !
Absolutely nothig wrong with the CTR but ride is not good on naything other than a smooth road (like there is many good smooth roads in the UK). Got a little tired of having to rev it so much (but loved it at the time) and the ultimate lack of traction, combined with IMHO poor suspension travel. A standard WRX will be a quicker A to B car than a CTR - due to the above. PPP version or STI then good bye ! Miss the CTR for its fuel economy though - oh and the noise when in Vtec!
Richard

 

thanks to all the posative replys i have just had carstins on the phone he has got an 53 sti for a bit more than can afford.but a great price for my 04 ctr .im taking a look tommorow .(swings and roundabouts )

 

I had a pre facelift CTR for 18 months until recently and loved it .... I got rid of it because I wanted a bit more comfort and toys + 4 wheel drive.

I got a standard MY05 WRX and found the performance to be about the same as the CTR from 60 up, definitely quicker below 60. I have since PPP'd it and it is now in a different league to the CTR with more torque and power everywhere. I found the std WRX lacking a bit but only when the turbo wasn't spinning. The CTR though not quick out of Vtec would at least do something at low revs - the Std Scooby would not. As I say, PPP completely changes that !

The handling is softer than the CTR and the car doesn't feel as chuckable but it does handle .... 4wd makes it soooo easy to put the power down and keep it down. The CTR constantly spins it's wheels unless the roads are bone dry. If you want the benefit of CTR hard handling go for an STi. I for one wanted it a bit softer though I wasn't unduly bothered about it when I had the CTR.

The steering on a WRX is miles better than the CTR which has well documented cr*p steering feel and poor turning circle.

Fuel consumption on my WRX is around 20-26 mpg for a bit of commuting and a bit of B road fun. The same sort of stuff in the CTR returned 28-34mpg.

Build quality is a little bit more plasticky than the CTR but neither has/had any rattles or problems.

Overall the CTR is just not as refined as the Scooby and not as quick. On a B road I could drive the CTR to within an inch of it's life and feel confident. The Scooby though - in WRX guise - is more wallowy but a more comfortable drive and I prefer it. If you want the hard handling of the CTR go for an STi. I found the brakes better in the CTR with more feel but the ones on the Scooby are perfectly adequate.

I would definitely not go back by choice - even though I loved the raw feeling of the CTR and had 18 enjoyable months with it I find the Scooby a step on in all respects.... for me at least. Each to their own though......

My view FWIW.

 

Good luck mate im sure you wont be disappointed

 

End of conversation, I previously owned a civic type R, The car was ****e, too much power for the front to handle, a little moisture and you would be getten beat at the lights by a 1.2 nova. I replaced it with a vx220 and that wasnt for me either, car was ace just couldnt drive it every day. Now onto the wrx, ive had it 3 weeks and i love it to bits, the only thing better on the ctr are the seats. Go for it mate you wont regret it.

 

cheers john

 

We(missus and i)had a scoob back in 1999 MY97..and loved it to bits...after moving and kids etc came down to a few ka,s then 206cc..then thought about getting back in the fast market........Got a my54 CTR last oct ..It was a very well built ,very well put together,nice felling plastics,etc...But always felt that when you started the engine nothing compared to the subaru......4 weeks ago I/we got a new wrx 300...every time the engine is started that 6 year ago smile comes back..........(tissue please)

 

get an sti if your gona change the civic.no point in getting a wrx because you wont be impressed coming from a ctr.....no offence sgcooby!!!!!!

 

at least you wont get labelled as an intant tosser for driving a scoob unlike the average bmw driver, and generally the indicators work on most scoobs

 

LOL at this thread !

Brilliant; all the old CTR boys out of the woodwork (myself included), who have seen the light and bought a Scoob. I recognise most of your names from the CTR forums....................

Anyway, seriously now for the sake of black ctr :

Mate, I really can`t add much to what the others have said.
I had a 54 plate CTR, which, at the time, I loved, especially the go-kart handling, but, having sold it in April this year, I`m now qualified to give my opinion on the standard WRX, the WRX PPP, and the STi PPP, and that`s because I`ve had them all in the last 7 months (stupid, I know, but life`s for living an` all that malarky )

I started off with the standard WRX (a new one), which I immediately found quicker than the CTR, due mainly to the power delivery and increased torque etc, but also because of the handling, which inspires more confidence on more of Britain`s crap road surfaces, because the suspension damping is simply better, ie; it`s not over-damped like the CTR, and so doesn`t bounce the car around everywhere.

I then came on here, got addicted (like you do ), and wanted to PPP the car, which I did. Believe me mate, as standard the WRX will still outpace the CTR on most roads (except maybe billiard-table surfaces), and then-some, but with PPP fitted, they`re no longer in the same league, as the WRX then has power EVERYWHERE, and loads of it.

Anyway, although apparently satisfied with this, I made the mistake of trying an STi, and fuggin `ell, it`s a CTR, basically, with the same go-kart handling, but better suspension, and miles better power delivery, balance, braking..................in fact, EVERYTHING. Just beware though, the suspension is harder than the standard WRX, but this all evens out when you start to press-on, in the way that the CTR should, but doesn`t.

In the end, I finished up with an STi with PPP, and, quite frankly, the power-delivery on this can no longer be compared to the CTR, as it`s about 103 bhp more, and feels even more than that, due to the way it`s delivered.

I would never knock the CTR though, as they`re one great car, which I had loads of fun in, but they`re no Scooby mate................and that`s a fact.

Make the change, you won`t regret it.................., and as others have said, I could NEVER go back to the CTR after the Scoob.

Good luck.

 

I had a an 02 CTR before I chopped it in to get an 05 STi ppp. Subaru was the car I always wanted though. Ever since watching Colin McRae blasting through the forest in a classic scoob I knew I had to have one one day.

The difference between the CTR and the STi IMHO is like night and day. The two things I could not stand in the CTR was the way the steering had a stickiness to it when held in one position for a length of time (not good for long corners) and the cars ability to handle any fluctuation in the road surface when the suspension was loaded was comical. These things and the lack of an LSD put the dampers on what could of been a great car.

 

[QUOTE=dexter]LOL at this thread !

Brilliant; all the old CTR boys out of the woodwork (myself included), who have seen the light and bought a Scoob. I recognise most of your names from the CTR forums....................

You'd of thought most of us would of come up with new names would'nt ya

 

Nah blood, a Nova with dem neons is da way to go after a CTR. I bust many a CTR's and Scoobies off da lights and in da bends with mine. Just added Lexus lights to it 2, sweet mate. Da birds say its blingin and want me around da bak of McDs, but me mate saying that slapper juce is a bugger to shift off da seats and I just put some well nice lepoard skin covers on em too. Wots a bruv 2 do?

4Real!!