turbo timer???????
#1
turbo timer???????
hi guys my aug03 sti ppp has got a hks turbo timer fitted to it, which i think may have been a waste of time from the guy who owned the car before me.
because it all works etc apart from doing its main job of turning the engine off after the preset time.
i mean as soon as i take my key out the engine is spose to stay running isnt it[providing the timer is set right]
but myn doesnt it turns off straight away.
am i right in thinking you cant actually use a timer on an my03 sti due to the alarm and immobiliser system??
if their is away around this would love to hear about it??
regards Lee
because it all works etc apart from doing its main job of turning the engine off after the preset time.
i mean as soon as i take my key out the engine is spose to stay running isnt it[providing the timer is set right]
but myn doesnt it turns off straight away.
am i right in thinking you cant actually use a timer on an my03 sti due to the alarm and immobiliser system??
if their is away around this would love to hear about it??
regards Lee
#5
Originally Posted by Brun
Take it out an sell the thing to some mug who thinks they need one
Utter waste of money unless you buy one for other features which can be had elsewhere for less money
Utter waste of money unless you buy one for other features which can be had elsewhere for less money
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#8
Originally Posted by scoobytoo
silly q.
is the engine getting warm enough for the timer to cut in as it works from previous engine speeds.
have you taken the car for a good high speed run then try turning it off!!
is the engine getting warm enough for the timer to cut in as it works from previous engine speeds.
have you taken the car for a good high speed run then try turning it off!!
besides i wouldnt want to turn my engine off incase the timer doesnt do its thing.
when i do turn the engine off the timer does its thing changes colour starts counting down from the preset time while going "beep" after every second. and once reaches 0.00 turns its self off.
but likeo say does nothing to the engine as this turns off as soon as i takethe key out
#10
Originally Posted by jaiscossie
i have a hks turbo timer on mine and when you leave the car with the engine running you cant arm it with the fob, instead i have to lock the door with the key
i think the trouble with myn is . as soon as u take the key out the subaru immobiliser comes on automatically. hence y the turbo timer wont function correctly
must grumble!!
#11
If the engine cuts out as soon as you remove the ignition key, then that will be the factory transponder immobiliser kicking in and powering down the engine management, as scooby vsm3 says above.
The alarm would take 30 seconds from the ignition being turned off before immobilising, however, if the turbo timer has been wired such that it is still supplying an ignition feed that is detected by the alarm, then the remotes will not work until the alarm sees the ignition turned off.
Connections for a turbo timers are difficult to make without upsetting existing vehicle systems, as above - hope this might help explain whats going on.
In addition to these problems there are a number of other issues that you need to consider
Your insurance company is unlikely to appreciate the need for a turbo timer, or the convenience of a remote start device for that matter, for the same reason.
“Cat 1” security systems are tested as a complete product and then given an evaluation number by Thatcham based on the products proposed usage.
In their view, adding any other product at a later date, which interacts directly with the approved security system or by-passes any of its circuits, can be looked upon as a modification to the system that was tested and could void the approval on that particular installation.
To be fair, you wouldn’t expect a Category 1 product to still gain you the same recognition by your insurance company if the secure, passively arming immobilisation circuits were by passed and this is exactly what these products do to allow the engine to run.
Adding additional products such as turbo timers and remote start devices are seen by Thatcham (the UK insurance industry’s test centre) to compromise security in the same way, as these systems usually have to by-pass the security system's immobilisation circuits to allow the engine to run. In theory a turbo timer need not cause a problem provided that it is not connected to or by-passes the existing immobilisation wiring, however the immobiliser would kick in 30 seconds after the ignition was turned off (a Thatcham requirement), limiting the turbo timer to 30 seconds.
There are also a couple of other points for you to consider:
Due to the UK insurance industrys requirements (and EU legislation) a turbo timer or remote start unit is unlikely to have been designed with the UK market in mind and so is unlikely to have been tested to EU 95/54 (- electrical legislation) and will not bear an “e” mark to show that the product has been tested and is fit for the automotive environment.
In addition, leaving a vehicle unattended in a public place with the engine running is also an offence in the UK, contravening the Construction and Use regulations.
If you don’t mention the mods to your insurance company, or the broker does not understand the implications of the modifications, then they will still be happy to take your money, but few vehicles with the standard system are stolen without the keys, so if an enlightened insurance inspector were to detect the modification it could invalidate a policy and save them paying out.
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The alarm would take 30 seconds from the ignition being turned off before immobilising, however, if the turbo timer has been wired such that it is still supplying an ignition feed that is detected by the alarm, then the remotes will not work until the alarm sees the ignition turned off.
Connections for a turbo timers are difficult to make without upsetting existing vehicle systems, as above - hope this might help explain whats going on.
In addition to these problems there are a number of other issues that you need to consider
Your insurance company is unlikely to appreciate the need for a turbo timer, or the convenience of a remote start device for that matter, for the same reason.
“Cat 1” security systems are tested as a complete product and then given an evaluation number by Thatcham based on the products proposed usage.
In their view, adding any other product at a later date, which interacts directly with the approved security system or by-passes any of its circuits, can be looked upon as a modification to the system that was tested and could void the approval on that particular installation.
To be fair, you wouldn’t expect a Category 1 product to still gain you the same recognition by your insurance company if the secure, passively arming immobilisation circuits were by passed and this is exactly what these products do to allow the engine to run.
Adding additional products such as turbo timers and remote start devices are seen by Thatcham (the UK insurance industry’s test centre) to compromise security in the same way, as these systems usually have to by-pass the security system's immobilisation circuits to allow the engine to run. In theory a turbo timer need not cause a problem provided that it is not connected to or by-passes the existing immobilisation wiring, however the immobiliser would kick in 30 seconds after the ignition was turned off (a Thatcham requirement), limiting the turbo timer to 30 seconds.
There are also a couple of other points for you to consider:
Due to the UK insurance industrys requirements (and EU legislation) a turbo timer or remote start unit is unlikely to have been designed with the UK market in mind and so is unlikely to have been tested to EU 95/54 (- electrical legislation) and will not bear an “e” mark to show that the product has been tested and is fit for the automotive environment.
In addition, leaving a vehicle unattended in a public place with the engine running is also an offence in the UK, contravening the Construction and Use regulations.
If you don’t mention the mods to your insurance company, or the broker does not understand the implications of the modifications, then they will still be happy to take your money, but few vehicles with the standard system are stolen without the keys, so if an enlightened insurance inspector were to detect the modification it could invalidate a policy and save them paying out.
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