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Old 04 June 2006 | 09:19 PM
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Angry the p2 torment continues



top gear just had the p2 ripping up there track

PRODRIVE ..... MAKE AND SELL THEM I WANT ONE!!!!!!!!
Old 04 June 2006 | 10:06 PM
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i agree looks like a class car and i saw it at the autosport show and it looks great

come on sell it plzzz
Old 04 June 2006 | 10:07 PM
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Shouldn't this be in Other Marques??
Old 04 June 2006 | 10:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Dracoro
Shouldn't this be in Other Marques??

nit picking much !
Old 04 June 2006 | 10:16 PM
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no top gear for 5 weeks yet another reason to not like football
Old 04 June 2006 | 10:17 PM
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Hardly

Would you expect a Lotus car to appear as 'own marque' on a Vauxhall or Proton website.
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£40,000

Does Prodrive have access or a factory to mass produce the P2?
Old 04 June 2006 | 10:23 PM
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my opinion is ya cant have subaru without prodrive my be thats wrong i dont know

no biggi either way
Old 04 June 2006 | 10:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Ray_li
£40,000

Does Prodrive have access or a factory to mass produce the P2?
they said not ...m8
Old 04 June 2006 | 10:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Dracoro
Shouldn't this be in Other Marques??
Why

Subaru Running gear is enough for me.



And the Rally Slag sound mmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Old 04 June 2006 | 10:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Ray_li
£40,000
If as said on Top Gear they have no intention of producing it why release a price tag
Old 04 June 2006 | 10:42 PM
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and why didnt subaru pay attention to prodrive and make the new impreza look more like that...?!?!

kicks the *** of the evo...!!!
Old 04 June 2006 | 11:01 PM
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And if they ever did realese it theres no way in gods earth it would be £40k, imagine the production costs of the electronics alone, not to mention active diffs, AP brakes, trick engine etc etc
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I thought anti-lag was illegal for road use anyway?
Old 05 June 2006 | 12:06 AM
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without the diff it got round in the same time as the 05STi did it not? don't think that justifys over £10,000 more than an impreza tbh. but looks wise its the dogs danglies
Old 05 June 2006 | 12:16 AM
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it sounded great with the anti lag. but it does make me think that thats one or the reasons why they dont want to make because the engine, turbo, exhaust system will not last long with it on.
Old 05 June 2006 | 12:24 AM
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Gotta be the reason to bombard Prodrive with a petition!
Old 05 June 2006 | 12:32 AM
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Just fit the ATD system to the impreza and it won't be far off.

I drove an early version of the electronic diff system on a JDM bugeye sti at their test track a couple years back and it was astonishing even then.
Old 05 June 2006 | 12:40 AM
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That cone test was amazing - 30mph with it off before understeer and 50+ mph before Clarkson lost his lunch?

Is it good though? Any **** can drive it fast, true skill and experience will count for nothing (well, not as much anyway)

As for mass production - it will never happen. The costs involved are astronomical and they couldn't risk even the slightest risk of failure, that would be the end of them.
Old 05 June 2006 | 12:46 AM
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Is it good though? Any **** can drive it fast, true skill and experience will count for nothing (well, not as much anyway)

What does that mean exactly, where will it count for nothing?

Great looking car, but as others have said it's the electronics that are the real difference between current Impreza and the P2.

BTW what the **** is Anti Lag?
Old 05 June 2006 | 02:27 AM
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Martin, anti-lag is a way of keeping the turbo spinning at it's most efficient to keep boost pressure up whilst changing gear as the turbo would naturally slow down at this point as there's less air going through the system when you drop the clutch and the engine slows for a moment...

There's a few ways of doing it - burning fuel in the exhust pipework before the turbo, pressure reservoirs etc.

The crackling / banging noise you get on rally cars when they change gear is generally anti-lag systems
Old 05 June 2006 | 09:00 AM
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When the stig drive it, it looked like it bounced and pitched all over the place. So lots of grip, great roadholding and performance but poor in the handling dept.
Old 05 June 2006 | 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Dracoro
When the stig drive it, it looked like it bounced and pitched all over the place. So lots of grip, great roadholding and performance but poor in the handling dept.
The drive around the track looked f**king awful IMO. Agree with the above. Maybe a combination of bigger turbo + anti-lag + not Stig mapped.

On the corners it looked like it lacked granularity in the throttle department.

With the power and (lack of) weight, it should be good for another 3-4 seconds off the time.

Maybe perverse but what I want is the P2 running gear in the crappy city car they based it all on. Complete with 650cc 12V stickers.

J.
Old 05 June 2006 | 02:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Ray_li
£40,000

Does Prodrive have access or a factory to mass produce the P2?
yes
Old 05 June 2006 | 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by SPEN555
I thought anti-lag was illegal for road use anyway?
WRC cars have to be road legal, so I guess not.
Old 05 June 2006 | 02:19 PM
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Would like to see the mpg and g/km for an anti-lag equipped vehicle. Burning fuel to keep the turbo spinning when you might not need it, and blowing flames out the exhaust has to be bad news for the environment
Old 05 June 2006 | 02:40 PM
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Great looking car.... with so much promiss...

It is indeed a shame there are "no plans " to manufacture it... Prodrive may not necessarily have the resources to devote to producing & selling the car, but Subaru have....

Come on Subaru - It's a cracking car..... Build it for us....

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Prodrives ANIT Lag system is not the robust mechanism it has been on other systems. I was speaking to a ex-prodrive mechanic and his oath of secrecy didn't permit him to say much, but it is in fact "positive lag" and his mannerisms as he proceeded to baffle me suggested that it really was a trick bit of kit
Old 05 June 2006 | 03:37 PM
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And why does Jezza always get dump-valves and wastegates mixed up!
Old 05 June 2006 | 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Dream Weaver
WRC cars have to be road legal, so I guess not.
Anti-lag is turned off for the road sections though



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