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Old 05 October 2006 | 11:22 AM
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Default National minimum wage, im worse off now !!!!!!!!!!!!!

As im an I.T Contractor, i get paid slightly different to most, but i got paid £17 less this week, kicke doff and he comes back with since the national wage was increased we are taxed more hence the drop in salary WTF

so, the NMW goes up, my take home goes down is this right, or is he ball aching me ?
Old 05 October 2006 | 11:24 AM
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Sounds like he,s having you off fella.

Have a quite word
Old 05 October 2006 | 12:01 PM
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tax is paid on your total wage has this gone up if so you will pay more tax
Old 05 October 2006 | 12:21 PM
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As an IT contractor, £17 shouldn't bother you, that's like taking a ****
Old 05 October 2006 | 12:29 PM
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Nah, im not a highly paid contractor matey !

just checked, my basic before all their crap has gone up by £19, hence why im now taxed more and earn less, how phucked up is that, im now worse off due to a salary increase,thats the government for ya, t00sers !!!!!!11
Old 05 October 2006 | 12:40 PM
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You must've just gone over a tax banding.

Time to claim on expenses for a job interview 300 miles each way
Old 05 October 2006 | 12:49 PM
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More top line should mean more take home surely as you are only taxed on the percentage of your wage that is in each tax band, eg. your first £100 no tax=£100 take home, Next £100 taxed at 20%=£80 take home,next £100.taxed at 25%=£75 take home, next£100 taxed at 40%=£60 take home. so total top line £400 total take home= £100+£80+£75+£60 =£315.
These figures are NOT accurate but for demo purposes only, It made sense in my head, I hope this helps.
Old 05 October 2006 | 01:10 PM
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Totally agree unless your tax code has changed
Old 05 October 2006 | 01:22 PM
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I'm a payroll manager and a payrise in no way would mean you take home less pay, there is a formula used when calculating tax to stop this from happening, its called the Poverty Trap.

Even if this payrise pushed you into the 40% bracket you would only pay tax at 40% on earning over the threshold, currently the higher tax threshold is £33000 per annum, tax is also calculated on a cumlitave basis (assuming your on the right tax code, generally something like 503L shown on your payslip) which means you will only pay tax on earnings over £16500 to date (again assuming your talking about salary paid in month 7, September).

Anything else give me a shout or there is a pay calculateor on the HMRC website which is pretty user friendly!
Old 05 October 2006 | 04:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Arronb
I'm a payroll manager and a payrise in no way would mean you take home less pay, there is a formula used when calculating tax to stop this from happening, its called the Poverty Trap.

Even if this payrise pushed you into the 40% bracket you would only pay tax at 40% on earning over the threshold, currently the higher tax threshold is £33000 per annum, tax is also calculated on a cumlitave basis (assuming your on the right tax code, generally something like 503L shown on your payslip) which means you will only pay tax on earnings over £16500 to date (again assuming your talking about salary paid in month 7, September).

Anything else give me a shout or there is a pay calculateor on the HMRC website which is pretty user friendly!

why dont you share that websites with all of us?

so for example what would be the difference in the take home wage between £32000 and £33000 could you please break it down to understand it better?

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I am an IT contractor in the same boat, what happens to me is that i am only payed minimum wage at normal tax rate, the rest is payed through dividends which occurs a lower rate of corporation tax and no NI.



I use these guys for over 80% takehome of my gross http://www.giantgroup.com/ this if from their FAQ's.


By law you must be paid at least the minimum wage (£5.35 from 1st October 2006) so this has to be covered from the contract income you generate, before any other items.

We then offset other items such as your reimbursed expenses, our fees and any pension contributions so that you get relief from both tax and national insurance on these. All remaining income is paid to you as a dividend and appears on your payment notification as such. This approach maximises your take home pay.

If your hourly (or daily) rate was higher then this would reduce the level of dividends, which do not attract national insurance contributions, we could pay you and your take home would be lower.



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Old 05 October 2006 | 04:55 PM
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This min wage going up thing is a load of ****.

I am putting my prices up again at new years eve, and so is everybody else that i know of, where will it stop
Old 05 October 2006 | 05:01 PM
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OT, Sticky - whatracer name do you use in LFS?

Im FlintFredstone / TroyMclure

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Old 05 October 2006 | 05:17 PM
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Koji

Ok, assuming again that you are a normal person NOT receiving any other benefits such as Bupa, critical illness etc, you have as follows:

32k per annum
Gross 2666.66
tax 472.61
NI 247.13
Net 1946.92

33k per annum
Gross 2750
tax 491.09
NI 256.30
Net 2002.61

The HMRC website is www.hmrc.gov.uk and does have a few useful tools for you to use.

Basically for every £ you earn over the 40% tax bracket you will take home about £50 after tax and Ni deductions.

let me know if you need anything else.
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Old 05 October 2006 | 05:23 PM
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cheers mate!
Old 05 October 2006 | 05:33 PM
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No worries mate, and Crazman I can vouch for Giant, I have worked with the manager there and he's a good lad!
Old 05 October 2006 | 05:38 PM
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Originally Posted by crazyman1979
I am an IT contractor in the same boat, what happens to me is that i am only payed minimum wage at normal tax rate, the rest is payed through dividends which occurs a lower rate of corporation tax and no NI.



I use these guys for over 80% takehome of my gross http://www.giantgroup.com/ this if from their FAQ's.

depends if you are a sole trader or a one man band limited company.

But these loopholes are slowly closing but i thought that they had been closed since April 2006
Old 05 October 2006 | 05:38 PM
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Funny enough i am with giantgroup.

basically, i have been told its nothing to do with poverty trap etc.

We offset pay against non-billable expenses. The maximum amount we can offset is based on the minimum wage legislation AND the amount our contractors have to pay tax and NI on is on the minimum wage. Therefore if the minimum wage increases then so does the amount tax and NI has to be paid on. In addition the HMRC calculators are based on PAYE, not limited companys where expenses can be offset. Again I apologise for any inconvenience caused but we are unable to change this
Old 05 October 2006 | 05:39 PM
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so, after all the minomum wage increase, im worse off, nearly £100 a month !
Old 05 October 2006 | 05:41 PM
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Originally Posted by BlueSimon
OT, Sticky - whatracer name do you use in LFS?

Im FlintFredstone / TroyMclure

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back to the mongos on min wage
Old 05 October 2006 | 05:53 PM
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Mick, youve turned into a right capitalist oppressor, havent you, eh?

Old 05 October 2006 | 05:56 PM
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Sorry if your being paid through someone like Giant then my explanation may not be applicable, the above is correct if your being paid paye and paying full tax and NI as an 'employed' person. Giant should be saving you quite a bit, you'll certainly be paying less tax than if you were paye.

As far as I know the loopholes are still ok, many have been closed but as soon as one is another opens!
Old 05 October 2006 | 07:19 PM
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there is an article in the daily mail today about just this topic ,basically earn £1000 more take home £300 of it tax = 70%
Old 06 October 2006 | 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by stevebennett
depends if you are a sole trader or a one man band limited company.

But these loopholes are slowly closing but i thought that they had been closed since April 2006
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