EVO MR FQ400
29 May 2007, 09:11 PM
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EVO MR FQ400
Having seen some reviews on these, the major downpoint (besides the lack of a flat 4 rumble!!!) is the 'bumpy' clutch. Just how bad is this - could you drive this car in traffic once used to it?
29 May 2007, 09:14 PM
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29 May 2007, 09:16 PM
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You do get used to it because at the end of the day the FQ400 is not an everyday run-around type of car. The performance is so extreme that it's just not suited for say a daily commute into London so you'd be a fool to try and use it like that.
I drive one on a regular basis and it is a massive chore when sitting in heavy traffic ... but if you don't sit in stop start traffic that often then don't worry too much about it.
29 May 2007, 09:19 PM
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A common misconception!
the lag is not that bad at all ... top gear did the car a massive injustice with that ridiculous test vs a focus or stilo or whatever it was.
There is a tiny amound of lag before the turbo kicks in and then whatever car moved in front of you during that few seconds of lag then becomes a tiny spec in your rear view mirror.
People bang on about these spec C's and Type 25s being quick but the FQ400 makes them both look like morris minors.
the lag is not that bad at all ... top gear did the car a massive injustice with that ridiculous test vs a focus or stilo or whatever it was.
There is a tiny amound of lag before the turbo kicks in and then whatever car moved in front of you during that few seconds of lag then becomes a tiny spec in your rear view mirror.
People bang on about these spec C's and Type 25s being quick but the FQ400 makes them both look like morris minors.
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29 May 2007, 09:24 PM
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Ooh Thats fighting talk 
Saw a 400 outside Sainsburys last week actually in black with some fancy wheelage on it
Saw a 400 outside Sainsburys last week actually in black with some fancy wheelage on it
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29 May 2007, 09:25 PM
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Yes i remember that test. Evo in 5th gear at 30mph....if your wanting acceleration anyone with half a brain would put it in the correct gear so all in all a pretty pointless test.
A common misconception!
the lag is not that bad at all ... top gear did the car a massive injustice with that ridiculous test vs a focus or stilo or whatever it was.
There is a tiny amound of lag before the turbo kicks in and then whatever car moved in front of you during that few seconds of lag then becomes a tiny spec in your rear view mirror.
People bang on about these spec C's and Type 25s being quick but the FQ400 makes them both look like morris minors.
the lag is not that bad at all ... top gear did the car a massive injustice with that ridiculous test vs a focus or stilo or whatever it was.
There is a tiny amound of lag before the turbo kicks in and then whatever car moved in front of you during that few seconds of lag then becomes a tiny spec in your rear view mirror.
People bang on about these spec C's and Type 25s being quick but the FQ400 makes them both look like morris minors.
29 May 2007, 09:27 PM
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What I am basically getting at is I reckon I could sell my Scoob for £14k ish. I see the FQ400's are coming in at about £23k ish. I may fancy a change if it is worth it..
29 May 2007, 09:31 PM
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Notorious bad point would be the upkeep. Not so much the servicing which is not expensive but the tyres (replaced after 5000 miles) the clutch (6000 miles) and the general wear and tear which would now be approaching the out of warranty scenario. The fuel isn't that bad because it's not very often you can drive it at full chat because you simply run out of road.
29 May 2007, 09:36 PM
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The car is the pinnacle of Japanese automotive design and modification and that is simply that. Nobody can say anything to the contrary!!
Neils 400 made that Spec C of yours look like it was going backwards so you know first hand how fast they are!
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It's well worth it but definitely look for a car with minimal mileage. That might mean you pay a lot more than 23k but for piece of mind it's worth it when looking at buying a car such as an FQ400. If you can stomach 7-10k of upkeep a year then go for it buddy. You won't regret it.
29 May 2007, 09:41 PM
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7-10k of upkeep per year 
Any chance of a breakdown as that is unreal!
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Any chance of a breakdown as that is unreal!
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It's well worth it but definitely look for a car with minimal mileage. That might mean you pay a lot more than 23k but for piece of mind it's worth it when looking at buying a car such as an FQ400. If you can stomach 7-10k of upkeep a year then go for it buddy. You won't regret it.
29 May 2007, 09:43 PM
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The engine is raced tuned and runs a Motec M800 with Antilag as standard. In real terms its a hell of a lot faster because any idiot with a screwdriver can bolt on a massive turbo and gain 70bhp but to maintain 400bhp through every gear change and every push of the pedal takes a lot more.
The car is the pinnacle of Japanese automotive design and modification and that is simply that. Nobody can say anything to the contrary!!
Neils 400 made that Spec C of yours look like it was going backwards so you know first hand how fast they are!
The car is the pinnacle of Japanese automotive design and modification and that is simply that. Nobody can say anything to the contrary!!
Neils 400 made that Spec C of yours look like it was going backwards so you know first hand how fast they are!
BUT saying that. we have ALL made PPL look silly at some point.... TUSCAN springs to mind with a WR1......
29 May 2007, 09:43 PM
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Yes ... you can have the car set up in a number of different ways and although they don't recommend running the anti-lag programme all the time the engine is built and mapped to run it. I suppose you can look at it like that new M5. so so so so so many gear box setting options however most of the time the owners will only use the standard out of the box setting. Only a few owners will want to fully personalise and explore the ins and outs of the change ratios etc etc etc etc. Same scenario with the FQ400.
29 May 2007, 09:45 PM
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With all due respect Gangsta Smurf, Extreme are knocking out Evos with over 400bhp and 400lb ft torque. These are more usable and easier to drive than FQ400 with performance at the very least matching it. Great car that the FQ400 is, it is very flawed and those vortex generator thingys are just plain daft. Oh and Extreme sells them a lot cheaper too.
29 May 2007, 09:46 PM
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... lots of cars made the WR1 look silly. But the driver wasn't a prat who thought it was the fastest car in the world to start with so it didn't bother him!
29 May 2007, 09:48 PM
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With all due respect Gangata Smurf, Extreme are knocking out Evos with over 400bhp and 400lb ft torque. These are more usable and easier to drive than FQ400 with performance at the very least matching it. Great car that the FQ400 is, it is very flawed and those vortex generator thingys are just plain daft. Oh and Extreme sells them a lot cheaper too.
Where is the warranty, where is the fail safe??
We are talking about the Mitis approved road car here not a modified car with absolutely no come back to the manufacturer.
Did I mention you can extend the warranty to five years for an extra £700 per year??
Extreme may well be putting out much more usuable cars with 400bhp but I guarantee you will have less issues in a factory approved FQ400.
29 May 2007, 09:50 PM
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With all due respect Gangsta Smurf, Extreme are knocking out Evos with over 400bhp and 400lb ft torque. These are more usable and easier to drive than FQ400 with performance at the very least matching it. Great car that the FQ400 is, it is very flawed and those vortex generator thingys are just plain daft. Oh and Extreme sells them a lot cheaper too.
Yes it`s going to be a collectrs car cus of what it is, but imo i`d buy a 9 now, get it Ecuteked and you`ll have money in the bank left over with a BIG smile on your face...
29 May 2007, 09:51 PM
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MODIFIED CAR MODIFIED CAR MODIFIED CAR MODIFIED CAR
Where is the warranty, where is the fail safe??
We are talking about the Mitis approved road car here not a modified car with absolutely no come back to the manufacturer.
Did I mention you can extend the warranty to five years for an extra £700 per year??
Extreme may well be putting out much more usuable cars with 400bhp but I guarantee you will have less issues in a factory approved FQ400.
Where is the warranty, where is the fail safe??
We are talking about the Mitis approved road car here not a modified car with absolutely no come back to the manufacturer.
Did I mention you can extend the warranty to five years for an extra £700 per year??
Extreme may well be putting out much more usuable cars with 400bhp but I guarantee you will have less issues in a factory approved FQ400.
I beg to differ. Extreme are not a backstreet fly by night operation. Their work is of the highest quality and they are highly regarded within the Evo fraternity. Besides who is to say the 400 itself is not a MODIFIED car albeit a flawed one.
29 May 2007, 09:54 PM
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Spot on. I test drove one when i bought my Tommi Mak, i wasn`t impressed at all, the clutch didn`t really bother me having had one in my cossie, i just couldn`t see where my 30k was going, an FQ320 for 20k with 3k spent on it would be up it`s rear end.
Yes it`s going to be a collectrs car cus of what it is, but imo i`d buy a 9 now, get it Ecuteked and you`ll have money in the bank left over with a BIG smile on your face...
Yes it`s going to be a collectrs car cus of what it is, but imo i`d buy a 9 now, get it Ecuteked and you`ll have money in the bank left over with a BIG smile on your face...
29 May 2007, 09:58 PM
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Tyres every 5000 miles or so. £250 per corner+ (Yokohama semi slick racing tyre.)
Clutch including labour etc. £2,000+
Petrol.
Insurance
Maintenance and servicing
Brakes. £2000. Alcon everything - uber expensive
Of course a lot depends on how much you use the car. I'm going from the angle that you are going to use it for between 10-20,000 miles per year.
If you are going to use it less than that they go buy a skoda because you are sad and should stop polishing and start driving!
Oh and I'm also assuming that you have all the parts fitted by the mitsi dealer and use the exact parts the car came with. Yoko tyres, alcon clutch/brakes. If you aren't going to do it that way then you can't afford the car because you can't buy a car like this and then add cheaper parts to it - because they just don't work. The car is built to do 400bhp and Mitsi spent millions developing it. They use Alcon brakes and Yoko tyres etc for a reason so people are fools to think they can make the car better by adding halfords parts.
29 May 2007, 10:03 PM
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So you are telling me you can take an FQ300 or other model up to a 400bhp threshold with complete build quality and total reliability for less than the FQ400 base price. Please do explain.
So I take it you are going to do more than just bolt on a massive turbo and take it to somebody for a remap!!
I'm talking. Alcon brakes, clutch, forged pistions, Motec M800 Eco mapped to use antilag and will full failsafe and air/fuel mixtures at optimal running levels, diffs, tyres, suspension and then a warranty, turbo and turbo extras.
Oh and all this without one single engine failure in three years or else a full no quibble re-build at the expense of the tuning shop??
Good luck!!
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29 May 2007, 10:08 PM
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Tyres every 5000 miles or so. £250 per corner+ (Yokohama semi slick racing tyre.)
Clutch including labour etc. £2,000+
Petrol.
Insurance
Maintenance and servicing
Brakes. £2000. Alcon everything - uber expensive
Of course a lot depends on how much you use the car. I'm going from the angle that you are going to use it for between 10-20,000 miles per year.
If you are going to use it less than that they go buy a skoda because you are sad and should stop polishing and start driving!
Oh and I'm also assuming that you have all the parts fitted by the mitsi dealer and use the exact parts the car came with. Yoko tyres, alcon clutch/brakes. If you aren't going to do it that way then you can't afford the car because you can't buy a car like this and then add cheaper parts to it - because they just don't work. The car is built to do 400bhp and Mitsi spent millions developing it. They use Alcon brakes and Yoko tyres etc for a reason so people are fools to think they can make the car better by adding halfords parts.
Clutch including labour etc. £2,000+
Petrol.
Insurance
Maintenance and servicing
Brakes. £2000. Alcon everything - uber expensive
Of course a lot depends on how much you use the car. I'm going from the angle that you are going to use it for between 10-20,000 miles per year.
If you are going to use it less than that they go buy a skoda because you are sad and should stop polishing and start driving!
Oh and I'm also assuming that you have all the parts fitted by the mitsi dealer and use the exact parts the car came with. Yoko tyres, alcon clutch/brakes. If you aren't going to do it that way then you can't afford the car because you can't buy a car like this and then add cheaper parts to it - because they just don't work. The car is built to do 400bhp and Mitsi spent millions developing it. They use Alcon brakes and Yoko tyres etc for a reason so people are fools to think they can make the car better by adding halfords parts.
Once again with all due respect I have to disagree with much of your reasoning. Your analogies are a little flawed if I may say so. Why should we be forced to pay dealer prices when we can have work done cheaper and to a HIGHER standard by specialists. There are brakes on the market which are as good as the Alcons and are much cheaper (K Spot), and the upside is the discs are much cheaper to replace. Tyres is a subjective choice at best Yokos are good but if they only last 5000 miles then they're not that good. My point is people should not be held to ransom by dealers just because they want a little exclusivity.