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Old 10 June 2007 | 05:46 PM
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Just had a little tickle with a porsche caymen S, the look on the posh blokes face when i went past him was priceless!!
Thought it would be alot quicker than what it was?
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Was he driving it the way it can be? I doubt it. Altough not the fastest porsche i would hardly say they are slow. They are meant to be a halfway house between the boxter and the carrera. I had a go of a mates bog 2.7 and it handled like a dream. In the right hands they will do damage but most of them end up in being owned by complete muppets!

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Was he driving it the way it can be? I doubt it. Altough not the fastest porsche i would hardly say they are slow. They are meant to be a halfway house between the boxter and the carrera. I had a go of a mates bog 2.7 and it handled like a dream. In the right hands they will do damage but most of them end up in being owned by complete muppets!
Handles well? Not what I experienced, felt like a barge..........IMHO
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The Caymen S's engine is essentially that of the first water cooled 911. Far from slow and even the first Boxster has handling balance and poise that an Impreza can only dream of (don't confuse grip with good hamdling).

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The look on his face probably said "look at that t!t" lol
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Originally Posted by funkyspider
The look on his face probably said "look at that t!t" lol
Why, was he not wearing a top.
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Why, was he not wearing a top.
I was fully clothed behind the wheel i'll have u know!!
Old 10 June 2007 | 07:49 PM
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Originally Posted by funkyspider
The look on his face probably said "look at that t!t" lol
You can't tell me that u have never had a little race with another car in your time of drivin and drive within the speed limits your hole life?? It was a clear duel carridgeway and its not a pedestrian'ised area
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0-60 in 5.1 and a top of 170mph....yep, definatley slow
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Originally Posted by Simon 69
has handling balance and poise that an Impreza can only dream of (don't confuse grip with good hamdling).

Simon
So Simon . . .

. . .Tell me, as I am confused . . . .Is grip not a function of handling . . .

. . .P.S For the record . . It is my opinion that PORCHES are mainly driven by w*nkers that don't know how to drive for sh*t . .
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Beat me to it.
I was reading this...

2006 Porsche Cayman S - Road Test & Review - Automobile Magazine


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Originally Posted by nik52wrx
0-60 in 5.1 and a top of 170mph....yep, definatley slow
Well it was slower than my scooby
How can u not be able to drive fast in a straight line
Old 10 June 2007 | 09:05 PM
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Maybe he was only prepared to go so far. Roads permitting he could have gone close to his top speed if he felt the need.

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Well it was slower than my scooby
How can u not be able to drive fast in a straight line
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Originally Posted by WRX300MAN
So Simon . . .

. . .Tell me, as I am confused . . . .Is grip not a function of handling . . .

. . .P.S For the record . . It is my opinion that PORCHES are mainly driven by w*nkers that don't know how to drive for sh*t . .
You're winning me over with your personality. Do carry on.....
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Originally Posted by Knighty99
Just had a little tickle with a porsche caymen S, the look on the posh blokes face when i went past him was priceless!!
Thought it would be alot quicker than what it was?

yes, he probably thought, "look at that daft chav in his old car with a daft exhaust, i think i might buy one just to crash because they cost pennies to buy"


you really showed him a thing or to mate, well done
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And all Scoobs are driven by over weight shaven headed wannabes

Nothing like a good stereotype to ruin a discussion

Of course there is link between handling and grip, but they are not the same thing. A Scoob is compromised by its roots as a basic 4 door saloon. Subaru have had to work damn hard to make it a rewarding car to drive. It has phenomenal mechanical grip, but that doesn't necessarily equal good handling.

Purpose built sports cars often have an advantage in this department (an Elise for instance is far superior to a Scoob in terms of chassis dynamics and handling, but cannot match it for mechanical grip). I would say that my RX8 handles miles better than either of the Scoobs I owned, but does that make it a better car? It's a matter of personal opinion.

Personally speaking I find better handling cars more rewarding to drive - the Cayman S is a fabulous car - in the hands of a good driver, there will be little to stay with it.

Don't also forget that the huge mechanical grip generated by Scoobs and similar cars can flatter to deceive - it is probably easier to extract the maximum (or close) performance from Scoob by a driver with average skills. Mid-engined cars like the Boxster / Cayman and Elise will require a higher level of skill to extract the best from them. Is that bad a thing? No - it's up to you as to what you prefer (but it's no coincidence that the personal car of choice for many professional drivers is a 911 and has been for some time).

Good handling cars are not necessarily the fastest - a bog standard 118 bhp Elise or a mk1 MX-5 are perfect examples (although what they both have in common is RWD - which is no surprise either).

Does that mean that the average Boxster / Cayman driver has more skill? No, but equally it doesn't make a Cayman S a slow car - that's just plain wrong.

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Originally Posted by Knighty99
Just had a little tickle with a porsche caymen S, the look on the posh blokes face when i went past him was priceless!!
Thought it would be alot quicker than what it was?
The Guys probably on a Porsche forum right now writing a post entitled "Why do Tw@ts in Subaru's want to race you all the time"
He probably gets ***** like you every day of the week trying to show off in their Chavvy cars!!!
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A (an Elise for instance is far superior to a Scoob in terms of chassis dynamics and handling, but cannot match it for mechanical grip).
Not really.

An Elise will have higher apex speeds than an Impreza precisely because it has greater mechanical grip, at least laterally.This has been demonstrated many times in many magazines and many articles.

A Scoob does have superior traction, which while a form of mechanical grip (forwards rather than lateral) is not really what I think you meant.
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Originally Posted by StickyMicky
yes, he probably thought, "look at that daft chav in his old car with a daft exhaust, i think i might buy one just to crash because they cost pennies to buy"


you really showed him a thing or to mate, well done
Hang on a min, u don't even know me so u can't call me a 'chav'???? Daft exust?? er no HKS super dragger erm not cheap A car that is my pride and joy yea it might be 12yrs old but it doesn't even look a year old its in show room condition ?
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I have no opinion here whatsoever!


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Surprised we haven't had the age old "He drove home in a Porch and you drove home in a Subaru" yet....

FACT: Porches are driven by merchant bankers with small penises.
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but the caymen is booked as being a medium paced car!!! chasing after them is no better than corsa's chasing after us !! i prefer not to chase after cars as i know mine will beat most
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Don't fool yourself, a 12 year old standard production car looks 12 years old. It might be in perfect concourse condition but the styling, interior, equipment levels etc make it look old.
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Cayman S is apparently quicker than a 996 Carrera around the Nurburgring.

Of course the 1995 Subaru Impreza is sub 7'50"
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Originally Posted by T-gro
Not really.

An Elise will have higher apex speeds than an Impreza precisely because it has greater mechanical grip, at least laterally.This has been demonstrated many times in many magazines and many articles.

A Scoob does have superior traction, which while a form of mechanical grip (forwards rather than lateral) is not really what I think you meant.

Err no the Elise doesn't have more grip than a Scoob. The reason it handles so well is that it can brake later and carry more speed through bends...why?

.....because it's very light. Weight is THE most important aspect when it comes to handling.


And one other thing, guys this is a Subaru forum, you'd think that we'd all want to stay well clear of stereotyping on here
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another pointless road racing thread.

good going - you really showed him
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Err no the Elise doesn't have more grip than a Scoob. The reason it handles so well is that it can brake later and carry more speed through bends...why?

.....because it's very light. Weight is THE most important aspect when it comes to handling.


And one other thing, guys this is a Subaru forum, you'd think that we'd all want to stay well clear of stereotyping on here
Agreed - absolutely no way an Elise generates more mechanical grip than a Scoob. All the cars I mentioned (apart from a Cayman) I've driven on track. I did a combined Elise / Scoob day a few years back. The Elise was great fun but it spun out on some high speed corners at about 80mph - my Scoob (pretty standard UK WRX with slightly lowered suspension) went through the same corner at well over a ton. Pure and simple grip (not handling!)

Now an Exige with its proper working aerodynamic kit might be a different story.

Weight is indeed the biggest enemy (another area which handicaps the Scoob and most modern cars). As Colin Chapman said: "Simplicate, then add lightness."

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what spec is your car
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Originally Posted by Chris L
Agreed - absolutely no way an Elise generates more mechanical grip than a Scoob. All the cars I mentioned (apart from a Cayman) I've driven on track. I did a combined Elise / Scoob day a few years back. The Elise was great fun but it spun out on some high speed corners at about 80mph - my Scoob (pretty standard UK WRX with slightly lowered suspension) went through the same corner at well over a ton. Pure and simple grip (not handling!)

Now an Exige with its proper working aerodynamic kit might be a different story.

Weight is indeed the biggest enemy (another area which handicaps the Scoob and most modern cars). As Colin Chapman said: "Simplicate, then add lightness."

Will the 118bhp Elise keep up with a Newage STi on a very twisty track or road ? Any thoughts ?



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